Cold Steel Nightshade Series

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These are fiber reinforced plastic knives, some of them huge, all of them dangerous. Are there any laws that treat these differently than their steel cousins? Certainly, screeners are aware of them and can detect them. They're very tough and inexensive.
 
Here is the Penal Code that make them illegal in California.

12001.1. (a) Any person in this state who commercially manufactures
or causes to be commercially manufactured, or who knowingly imports
into the state for commercial sale, keeps for commercial sale, or
offers or exposes for commercial sale, any undetectable knife is
guilty of a misdemeanor. As used in this section, an "undetectable
knife" means any knife or other instrument with or without a
handguard that is capable of ready use as a stabbing weapon that may
inflict great bodily injury or death that is commercially
manufactured to be used as a weapon and is not detectable by a metal
detector or magnetometer, either handheld or otherwise, that is set
at standard calibration.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, commencing January
1, 2000, all knives or other instrument with or without a handguard
that is capable of ready use as a stabbing weapon that may inflict
great bodily injury or death that are commercially manufactured in
this state that utilize materials that are not detectable by a metal
detector or magnetometer, shall be manufactured to include materials
that will ensure they are detectable by a metal detector or
magnetometer, either handheld or otherwise, that is set at standard
calibration.
(c) This section shall not apply to the manufacture or importation
of undetectable knives for sale to a law enforcement or military
entity nor shall this section apply to the subsequent sale of these
knives to a law enforcement or military entity.
(d) This section shall not apply to the manufacture or importation
of undetectable knives for sale to federal, state, and local
historical societies, museums, and institutional collections which
are open to the public, provided that the undetectable knives are
properly housed and secured from unauthorized handling, nor shall
this section apply to the subsequent sale of the knives to these
societies, museums, and collections.
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So, with Cold Steel being a CA company, they had better only be making them sale to military and law enforcement.
 
Thats why CS nightshades come with those high-tech, nonremovable metal keyrings on them, so metal detectors will pick them up :rolleyes:
 
Lynn's kidding himself if he thinks that will save his company from the evil eye of the D.A. Mission Knives found out the hard way that it must be a "un-removable" metal insert. The state totally shut them down for quite a while until they made the change over. Now I think they have moved out of CA.

Even Mad Dog uses a non-removable metal security strip for non-LEO and GOV sales. And they are not even in CA.

Lynn is just asking to have his company profits taking by the state of CA.:eek:
 
In most states, possession of "magnometer sanitary" knives are not restricted any more than would be a similar metalic knife, UNLESS said weapon were to be discovered at a checkpoint en route to a weapon-free zone (i.e., airport/AMTRAK/Greyhound, courthouse, government office building, corrections facility, school, hospital, etc.) -- then there might be an additional charge of some sort.

The Nightshades are not sharpened, but can be made sharp with a fine file. Even "sharpened", they're still not much more effective than a tent peg -- but they make decent training blades (if you round off the point) and are impervious to the elements, so you can hide one in a potted plant, underneath your car, or even in your hot tub! I keep the Nightshade version of the Safekeeper I in my shower . . . "just in case".

Maybe Lynn should ship his Nightshade series out of Texas, like he currently does with his balisongs and swordcanes.
 
His main company is in CA. PC 12020 clearly states that even "causing to be manufactured" is a crime.

It is only a matter of time before that State hammers him.
 
In the Cold Steel "Special Projects" catalog, they stated that the Texas operation was a "seperate company" from Cold Steel California; and "causing to be manufactured" cannot be prosecuted if it occurs outside the state of California, with the strict provision that no such items shall be shipped to California addresses.

Ain't loopholes great?
 
The Nightshade is a Cold Steel product plain and simple. If you want to rah rah for Cold Steel, go to thier forum. This is about matters of law.
 
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Thought I presented a valid legal argument. I'm not here to "cheerlead" for Cold Steel or anyone else. As stated elsewhere, I think their Laredo Bowie is an inferior product that was misrepresented in their catalog.

Splitting hairs is for the lawyers -- if Lynn ever gets prosecuted under the California statutes -- which I do not see happening, state resident or not. Don't even see how this could fall into a legal "grey area" -- and, there might be ample grounds for a countersuit, re: malicious prosecution, harassment, etc.

End of thread? I'm done with it!
 
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