Cold Steel swords?

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I'm looking to get a sword, something strong enough that I could chop stuff for demonstrating purposes when friends come over, something strong steel. I've seen Cold Steel swords, and see they are made of Aus 1050. #1 - How is this steel (spring tempered and spring steel - what is the difference here?) and #2 - How are their swords? The Chinese War sword caught my eye.

If their swords are not good, what are some brands that are reasonable in price that might be good?

Several questions clunked together here, but any help would be great.
 
1050 is a simple steel with about 0.5% carbon (mid-range, very sufficient for swords).

Terms like spring tempered and spring steel get thrown a lot so the semantics of it tend to get blurred and difficult to discern accurately, but here's a basic synopsis

Spring steel is steel that is from a spring or is used for a spring. Typically this refers to automobile springs and the like, and you will see many references to 5160 as a common "spring steel."

As is, spring steel is just steel. There are no special qualities that make it any different from any other steel. When steel is in an annealed, or soft state, it is relatively easy to carve, grind, bend, et cetera. Then, it is heated and quenched, and the resulting transitions in the steel "harden" it. This may be a bad analogy, but think in terms of plastic and glass. The plastic can take but will not maintain an edge because it deforms easily and is not resistant to abrasion. On the other hand, glass can maintain a wicked sharp edge, but is not as flexible. The same applies to soft and hard steel.

Blade steel hardness is typically compared on the Rockwell C scale. For instance, an annealed soft blade steel is often around 20-30 RC. Hardened blades typically run from 58 to 62--sometimes more, sometimes less.

But to retrace our steps... We have our steel hardened and it will hold a great edge because it's hard, but the result also leaves us with a blade that will not flex a great amount laterally before snapping, and if you whack the edge against something, it could chip like a razor blade. This isn't necessarily a big problem but it tends to play a common role in swordmaking. In the spirit of avoiding technicality, the reason steel gets hard is because its molecules are very stressed. To alleviate that stress, there is a process called tempering. It involves heating the blade to a certain level for a certain time. One effect is that it gradually reduces the hardness of the steel a small amount, but many feel that some tempering is well worth that cost.

"spring tempered" is a term in the sword world that's often used to describe steels that are tempered back to the low or mid-50 range RC, softer than your typical good quality knife blade. The side effect is that they are not extremely stiff or capable of holding a spectacular edge, but are very capable of being flexed without retaining a bend. This results in a very "tough" blade.

Sorry my explanation wasn't very technical or specific, but I hope that clarified the issue a little.

As far as the CS Chinese War sword, I haven't handled one so I don't know, but considering the maker that provides those swords (Fred Chen I believe still does them), I would assume it's pretty good quality. However, you could always look at Hanwei's offerings, they may have something you like for a decent price. I'm thinking someone will probably recommend Kris Cutlery, but that depends on if they offer anything you like. Himalayan Imports, again I don't think offer a "Chinese War Sword" but their work is well-regarded for its toughness, so if you are not very specific about the type of sword you're looking for, feel free to shop any of those choices.
 
I hoped for a good answer and I got a great one. The spring part to tempering I thought was something more than it was I guess. Your answer made sense, that part was fine.

Not farmiliar with Hanwei's stuff, but I like Himalayan Imports stuff, so that I will also check out. Their price is a bit steeper I would imagine is what might prevent purchasing something from them.
 
Don't know about the CS or Hanwei swords, but have a Himalayan Imports Katana and a Tarwar and they are very nice. Would recommend them highly!:D . I have looked at the War Sword and have wondered about how good the CS version is. If you get one please let me know what you think.
 
Originally posted by Tuff
I'm looking to get a sword, something strong enough that I could chop stuff for demonstrating purposes when friends come over, something strong steel. I've seen Cold Steel swords, and see they are made of Aus 1050. #1 - How is this steel (spring tempered and spring steel - what is the difference here?) and #2 - How are their swords? The Chinese War sword caught my eye.

If their swords are not good, what are some brands that are reasonable in price that might be good?

Several questions clunked together here, but any help would be great.

GRRRRRRRR!!!

AUS 1050 is a major typo!

I do wish Cold Steel would correct that!





GET IT RIGHT!!!
 
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