Cold Steel's 420

glocker199

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Is Cold Steel's "sub zero quench" 420 steel better grade than the average 420? I know they use it in their Peacekeepers as well as several other models. Is it sufficient for use in a dagger such as the PK that is not expected to hold up to every day edge use?
 
There is a 420, a 420J2, and a 420 HC.The first two have very low carbon , the 420HC has a reasonable but not good amount of carbon.Much better is CS AUS-8 steel blades.
 
mete said:
There is a 420, a 420J2, and a 420 HC.The first two have very low carbon , the 420HC has a reasonable but not good amount of carbon.Much better is CS AUS-8 steel blades.

Yeah, but what 420 does Cold Steel use and is it good enough for use in a dagger?

154-CM, ATS-34, and AUS-8 are my favorites in that order.
 
glocker199 said:
Yeah, but what 420 does Cold Steel use and is it good enough for use in a dagger?

154-CM, ATS-34, and AUS-8 are my favorites in that order.

I'm not sure if anyone really knows what 420 CS uses. They like to be ambiguous about that sort of stuff. It should be fine in a rarely used last ditch weapon, but for daily uses it would suck. That is why CS now only offers the Peace Keepers in Carbon V.

It's a shame to look at you favs list. You don't have anything from crucible. You neglected D2 entirely. Not even VG10. Get yourself a good folding knife in D2 and watch it out-perform all of your others.

-KC
 
Knifeclerk said:
I'm not sure if anyone really knows what 420 CS uses. They like to be ambiguous about that sort of stuff. It should be fine in a rarely used last ditch weapon, but for daily uses it would suck. That is why CS now only offers the Peace Keepers in Carbon V.

It's a shame to look at you favs list. You don't have anything from crucible. You neglected D2 entirely. Not even VG10. Get yourself a good folding knife in D2 and watch it out-perform all of your others.

-KC


What??? My top listed favorite is from Crucible!!! 154-CM, CM as in Crucible Metalurgy. ;)

On Cold Steel's web site, they have actually removed Carbon V, and now only list the Peacekeepers in 420.
 
glocker199 said:
Is Cold Steel's "sub zero quench" 420 steel better grade than the average 420? I know they use it in their Peacekeepers as well as several other models. Is it sufficient for use in a dagger such as the PK that is not expected to hold up to every day edge use?


Short answer: NO! it's junk.

For a dagger im sure it's sufficient. But it's always nicer to have a dagger that works as a cutting tool should the need arise.

Maybe look into the Protech Dagger instead..........
 
Glocker, let me ask you this. How often would you expected to use models like the Spike, Safe Keeper, Desperado, Peace Keeper, or Kobun for utilitarian purposes? These so called boot knives and daggers marketed by Cold Steal are not designed as EDC utility knives, rather as defensive weapons, so steel grade is of little importance. Sure, they may be used to cut some rope or open a box on occasion if you need to, but that's not they're primary purpose. Notice that their folding knives are either AUS-8 or 440A. 440A isn't the top of the line quality steel, but for a plastic handled imported folding knife that will tend to be used for utilitarian purposes I would consider it basic. I agree that S30V, BG-42, D-2, 154-CM, ATS-34, VG-10, ATS-55 and even AUS-8 are better quality steels, but that's why we buy from other manufacturers.

I'm not trying to defend Cold Steal as their marketing tactics and knockoffs are a big turn off for me, but I'm just trying to keep it real. I would say that the majority here on Bladeforums own enough knives from several manufacturers to last several lifetimes and many of us knife enthusiasts rotate the knives we carry on a day to day or week to week basis, so it's all a matter of personal preference and using the right knife for the task at hand. It's totally up to you if you want to EDC a Cold Steal Spike or Safe Keeper and intend on using it for everyday utilitarian tasks. You'll be disappointed on how it performs as a utilitarian knife, but there are much better knives by other reputable makers to consider.
 
For most users outside of this forum 420 from CS should prove adequate.
Recall that Buck uses 420 for the large Buck Strider fixed blade.
420 has even seen limited use in customs. Let's keep it real folks.
 
I have several of the CS models in 420: the PK1, PK2, Spike, Desperado, Kobun and an ODA model. The steel is a bit on the soft side, but they were shaving sharp out of the box and were of modest price. Most of these fill the role of carry pieces, but they are not hard workers for me. (Today I have the Spike with me). I usually carry a folder as a working knife, either a Spyderco or a CS folder with AUS-8A steel.

The 420 fixed blades are decent knives for the price.
 
averageguy said:
420 has even seen limited use in customs. Let's keep it real folks.
Which customs? Perhaps heat-treated correctly 420 will perform okay, BUT the question was about the 420 on CS Knives.
 
glocker199 said:
Is it sufficient for use in a dagger such as the PK that is not expected to hold up to every day edge use?

Most definitely. In a pure-bred fighter, it's not a pretty good choice because it's quite tough.
 
Cosmic Superchunk said:
It's totally up to you if you want to EDC a Cold Steal Spike or Safe Keeper and intend on using it for everyday utilitarian tasks. You'll be disappointed on how it performs as a utilitarian knife, but there are much better knives by other reputable makers to consider.

I have a Cold Steel spike. I've used it to, among other things, chip and pry rock samples out of roadcuts with a small hammer, and break up packed gravel/clay/sand/mud inside aluminum pipes that my group were using to take riverbed cores. The tip and edge are a little chipped but its still mostly intact. For the price it was well worth it considering any knife with a thinner blade would have been destroyed.
 
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