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Colloidal Silver
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Can't give too much info; I do know silver is used in some water filters that use activated charcoal. It helps to keep down the bacteria that find the organics adsorbed to be yummy. I was involved in testing some filters. Part of the testing was bacterial after the filters sat unused for 2 days and for a week (simulated weekend trip and vacation). Some of them :barf: after sitting unused the water coming out was literally cloudy.
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kablade,
COlloidal Silver is used in the hospital for some purposes. Silver in a ionized form is antimicrobial and will kill the "Uglies". However its use is limited and is in itself poisionous if too large of quantities are used. Hope this helps
COlloidal Silver is used in the hospital for some purposes. Silver in a ionized form is antimicrobial and will kill the "Uglies". However its use is limited and is in itself poisionous if too large of quantities are used. Hope this helps
Oh, Badness! Don't do that!
There are some very unfortunate people who have literally turned their skin blue-grey with such snake oil - irreversibly. I believe there is a politician in Colorado (?) who has taken on the look of death from it. Check this poor woman's site:
http://www.tomifobia.com/rosemary.html
Scott
There are some very unfortunate people who have literally turned their skin blue-grey with such snake oil - irreversibly. I believe there is a politician in Colorado (?) who has taken on the look of death from it. Check this poor woman's site:
http://www.tomifobia.com/rosemary.html
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Colloidal Silver has its uses. Not sure about the blue lady but I'll do some checking. However, Colloidal Silver is a trace mineral and your body needs a TRACE amount but it HAS to be Colloidal Silver. Regular silver is toxic. Most minerals your body needs (i.e., calcium, iron, magnesium) can not be absorbed properly if they are not in Colloidal form, or Kielated, which is not is good as Colloidal. A Colloidal mineral is one that has passed through plant digestion (for lack of a better term) and has been broken down to its smallest possible form and still possess the properties of the mineral. Until we started over farming our lands we use to get these minerals from our vegetables. Now, we get almost none from our food. Trace minerals are the other minerals your body needs i.e., not major minerals such as calcium and iron.
Back to the properties of Colloidal Silver. It is an anti-bacterial and works rather well. It can be used for minor infections, cuts, scrapes, burns and the like. It is also widely used as drops for pink eye, and works very well. It is found in most trace minerals drops and tablets as part of trace mineral supplements. Trace minerals are rarely found in vitamin/mineral supplements you most always have to get then separately. It does not kill viruses, only bacteria.
Another reason they are called trace minerals is probably due to the fact that most of them can be toxic if too much is taken or they are taken in the wrong form. Arsenic is a trace mineral your body needs, it must be taken in trace amounts in Colloidal form. We all know what arsenic is and how it affects the human body. Silver is the same and if you take too much or in the wrong form it will cause damage to your system. You would have to take much more silver to get the same effect as arsenic but it can be done. Vitamin A is also toxic in large amounts. Most minerals can be toxic if not taken properly.
I'm not sure the silver in water filters is Colloidal Silver. I have not looked into it. I will now however. My Katadyn filter has silver in the ceramic element. You can see the info on these filters and the silver they use at:
http://katadyn.com/m/dcv/cms.php
I hope this helps.
Ric
Back to the properties of Colloidal Silver. It is an anti-bacterial and works rather well. It can be used for minor infections, cuts, scrapes, burns and the like. It is also widely used as drops for pink eye, and works very well. It is found in most trace minerals drops and tablets as part of trace mineral supplements. Trace minerals are rarely found in vitamin/mineral supplements you most always have to get then separately. It does not kill viruses, only bacteria.
Another reason they are called trace minerals is probably due to the fact that most of them can be toxic if too much is taken or they are taken in the wrong form. Arsenic is a trace mineral your body needs, it must be taken in trace amounts in Colloidal form. We all know what arsenic is and how it affects the human body. Silver is the same and if you take too much or in the wrong form it will cause damage to your system. You would have to take much more silver to get the same effect as arsenic but it can be done. Vitamin A is also toxic in large amounts. Most minerals can be toxic if not taken properly.
I'm not sure the silver in water filters is Colloidal Silver. I have not looked into it. I will now however. My Katadyn filter has silver in the ceramic element. You can see the info on these filters and the silver they use at:
http://katadyn.com/m/dcv/cms.php
I hope this helps.
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Does it sound too good to be true? Then it probably is. If you haven't already, read the article that beezaur posted in its entirety. Particularly telling is the part where the "expert" proponent mentioned in the article also happens to be selling it. (You see a lot of that with "organic" and "natural" products. They cause a demand by creating an almost Luddite scare, then fill the demand they've created. It's a profitable business, due to the markups justified by the lack of the production efficiency that has been refined over the centuries by agriculture and industry.)
Montana, actually.
Picture here: http://www.billingsgazette.com/inde...dnews/2002/10/03/build/local/72-candidate.inc
It is a recognized medical condition known as argyria. It's a rare disease, resulting from prolonged or repeated exposure to silver compounds. It's not too likely that your skin will turn blue if you use the products only rarely, but there are usually better medicines to use.
Here is a pretty good writeup about Argyria: http://www.emedicine.com/derm/topic595.htm
Isn't that a result of food processing methods rather than the quantity of farming? If we didn't "over-farm" by farming efficiently, there would not be enough food to support the population.
Also, kablade, I would like to add to this discussion that if you're not sick there's no reason to be taking antibiotics, and if you are sick you should first try an antibiotic that is proven or even designed to fight the bacteria you are infected with rather than filling your body with largely untested "natural health" crap that may give you a freakish smurf-like appearance and that may or may not work as its seller claims.
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In the early 1930's Congress had a study done to verify the state of the farmland in the U.S. It was found at that time that the soil was 89% depleted of natural mineral content. Farmers were having a hard time getting things to grow. At this time the fertilizer NPK was developed. This is a combination of nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium. It was found that these are the 3 major minerals needed to make plants grow. For a long time this is all farmers were using to fertilize their crops. In the 50's, I believe, another study was done and found that the soil was even farther depleted of nutrients. At this time they found that the only places that were not depleted were the fields where farmers were using natural fertilizers like chicken manure. These fields were also giving larger more plentiful crops. You are correct however in that the processing also removes nutrients from our foods but if you farm on the same land, growing the same crop year after year the soil will be depleted of nutrients. That is why most farmers now will rotate crops, one year growing a harvestable crop in one area and in another area growing a crop of alfalfa or parcily. At the end of the growing season they will till the alfalfa or parcily onto the soil and grow the harvestable crop on that space the next season. I worked for a barley former in Montana when I was in high school who would grow alfalfa in the same space two seasons in a row, till it in and grow barley in that space every third year. He said it made the barley grow bigger and stronger.
As for natural remedies being unproven, the Chinese have been using natural methods successfully for over 6000 years, as well as the Native Americans, just to name two. Natural medicine has its place just like modern medicine and you should never use either with out first speaking to someone schooled in the perspective discipline.
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You're lucky you asked here, where people have at least the minimum daily recommended allowance of scepticism (or is it common sense?). Ask about this stuff on many survivalist boards, and you'll get an avalanche of people telling you it's a wonder tonic.
Silver can kill you if you absorb multiple grams in a fairly short period of time. This has happened in the past where airborn silver dust was inhaled. Silver is too valuable to waste like this and modern methods avoid this kind of exposure. Blue and grey people were fairly common in some industries in the past, but the 2 or 3 known to exist are very remarkable today.
I do not know of any blue people from colloidal silver, except maybe that one politician, and he may have had an atypical reaction to begin with or may have mismanufactured the colloid, but I truly do not know. All other blue people that I have heard of were not from colloidal silver, but rather the result of silver salts, silver proteins, industrial silver, or sterling silver reacting with food in tableware to make any number of compounds.
The blue people are definitely inconvenienced or worse. The condition is far from imaginary, but at the same time it is purely cosmetic. The medium dosages that turn you blue, somewhere between 2 and 15 grams of lifetime absorption and retention depending on the person , silver type and particle size, are below the damaging and deadly dosages over time. And while being blue is not at all desireable, this cosmetic symptom seems to appear in time to stop long term accumulation of silver to avoid death. More than 1 site I have surfed on claims that the "nominal" dosage might cause you as an average person to turn blue after daily intake for 10 to 20 years or more. Taking it only when one is actually sick or when you believe that you have been exposed to some particular nasties would virtually preclude a blue face in the mirror.
All medicines, even antibiotics, have an expected reaction rate and an expected death rate. (this is not even counting administering incorrect dosages or prescribing the wrong medicine for the condition) Everything from aspirin to the anthrax vaccine will kill some percentage of those taking it, some medicines obviously much more than others. Studies in Australia and other countries show that around 1 in 9 people will die from a medicine, either misdiagnosed or from a negative reaction.
Some people are simply allergic to silver. If you take a pure silver coin or wire and rub in on you skin, if either the skin or the silver turns black, avoid all silver.
Some diseases can be even more immediately dangerous if the entire bacterial load or tumor or whatever dies all at once. The body can only eliminate so much garbage in a day. There are a number of bacteria or germs that are reported as extremely susceptible to silver. If you have never taken silver before, start slow if you must start. A "healing crisis" can be worse than the original condition. I remember reading of a megadose vitamin C test on cancer (I know, not directly applicable to silver...) and the 10 pound tumor died and broke up one day. Treatment killed the cancer, but the patient died.
Silver is obviously not riskless. However if silver was outright killing even a tiny fraction of the patients that "normal" medicines consistently do, the strongest arguement against it would not be a grey lady and a blue guy.
I will stop droning on now.
I do not know of any blue people from colloidal silver, except maybe that one politician, and he may have had an atypical reaction to begin with or may have mismanufactured the colloid, but I truly do not know. All other blue people that I have heard of were not from colloidal silver, but rather the result of silver salts, silver proteins, industrial silver, or sterling silver reacting with food in tableware to make any number of compounds.
The blue people are definitely inconvenienced or worse. The condition is far from imaginary, but at the same time it is purely cosmetic. The medium dosages that turn you blue, somewhere between 2 and 15 grams of lifetime absorption and retention depending on the person , silver type and particle size, are below the damaging and deadly dosages over time. And while being blue is not at all desireable, this cosmetic symptom seems to appear in time to stop long term accumulation of silver to avoid death. More than 1 site I have surfed on claims that the "nominal" dosage might cause you as an average person to turn blue after daily intake for 10 to 20 years or more. Taking it only when one is actually sick or when you believe that you have been exposed to some particular nasties would virtually preclude a blue face in the mirror.
All medicines, even antibiotics, have an expected reaction rate and an expected death rate. (this is not even counting administering incorrect dosages or prescribing the wrong medicine for the condition) Everything from aspirin to the anthrax vaccine will kill some percentage of those taking it, some medicines obviously much more than others. Studies in Australia and other countries show that around 1 in 9 people will die from a medicine, either misdiagnosed or from a negative reaction.
Some people are simply allergic to silver. If you take a pure silver coin or wire and rub in on you skin, if either the skin or the silver turns black, avoid all silver.
Some diseases can be even more immediately dangerous if the entire bacterial load or tumor or whatever dies all at once. The body can only eliminate so much garbage in a day. There are a number of bacteria or germs that are reported as extremely susceptible to silver. If you have never taken silver before, start slow if you must start. A "healing crisis" can be worse than the original condition. I remember reading of a megadose vitamin C test on cancer (I know, not directly applicable to silver...) and the 10 pound tumor died and broke up one day. Treatment killed the cancer, but the patient died.
Silver is obviously not riskless. However if silver was outright killing even a tiny fraction of the patients that "normal" medicines consistently do, the strongest arguement against it would not be a grey lady and a blue guy.
I will stop droning on now.
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I know that. I merely I thought I detected just a hint of a desire for agriculture to just go away
My problem with that argument is not necessarily in this case in particular, but rather that it's the fallback for anyone who's trying to sell you a miracle cure that isn't being used in modern medicine. What I look for is documented clinical success and research results from a reliable, independent source such as the FDA, not just a label that says "ancient Chinese cure!". Chinese methods aren't necessarily unsubstantiated (though faith healing plays no small part in some of it), but the claims made by many sellers are.
I did not say that *all* "natural" methods are ineffective. After all, something like 25% of the prescriptions written in North America each year are for plant-derived drugs. These drugs were of course discovered and passed down long before medicine was a science.
I agree with you completely about checking into things. Just because something is "natural" doesn't mean it won't cause side effects or won't interact with other substances.
1 in 9 seems ridiculously high. What countries does this apply to other than Australia? Do you have citations for these studies?
But at the same time, "normal" medicines have saved many more people in many more ways than colloidal silver has.
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We all need to remember we are talking about Colloidal Silver. Silver by itself will have the same effect as drinking mercury, very bad. Colloidal Silver does not have this effect.
I spoke to a friend of mine, an herbal MD so to speak, he has over 25 years in herbal medicine experience, collage degrees and all so he is well schooled. Anyway, I spoke to him about this blue lady, he read the article and then informed me that Colloidal Silver did not turn her blue. It says in the article that this happened to her over 40 years ago, he said they didn't have Colloidal Silver readily available back then, that it is a relatively new discovery. He informed me that the silver that was in her nose drops was real silver in powder form, said it was widely used for a long time in this form back when they used to put silver dollars in the milk to keep it fresh. The difference is that silver powder cannot be absorbed through the cell wall nor can it be passed through the system in a normal manner so it permeates the body kind of like lead, thats why she turned blue. If it would have been lead in her drops she would have gone mad and died long ago but the body doesn't react to silver the same way it does lead. If it had been mercury her kidneys and liver would have failed long ago and again, she would be dead. Now Colloidal Silver on the other can be absorbed into the cell and passed through the system. The reason is, if I understand this right, is because the silver is in it's smallest form possible while still being silver as well as having an amino acid chain rapped around it when in the Colloidal form. This is what allows the body to be able to process it where it can't process silver powder. I use Colloidal Silver myself when needed but not all the time. Either way I wouldn't do it if I didn't have some reason, I.E. infection, cuts/scrapes. I have noticed that if I have a cut or scrape and put a drop or two of CS on it with a band aid it tends to heal faster. Hope this helps.
Ric
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Statistics show that 250000 to 300000 people die each year in this country due to mistakes in medicine, bad prescriptions and misdiagnosis. Mostly elderly. And another 150000 to 200000 are disfigured due to botched surgeries. In 1999 it was found that 79% of all 3rd & 4th year med students were hooked on some kind of illegal prescription drug and 67% of all practicing Doctors were also hooked on something. Scarry eh!!!!
I spoke to a friend of mine, an herbal MD so to speak, he has over 25 years in herbal medicine experience, collage degrees and all so he is well schooled. Anyway, I spoke to him about this blue lady, he read the article and then informed me that Colloidal Silver did not turn her blue. It says in the article that this happened to her over 40 years ago, he said they didn't have Colloidal Silver readily available back then, that it is a relatively new discovery. He informed me that the silver that was in her nose drops was real silver in powder form, said it was widely used for a long time in this form back when they used to put silver dollars in the milk to keep it fresh. The difference is that silver powder cannot be absorbed through the cell wall nor can it be passed through the system in a normal manner so it permeates the body kind of like lead, thats why she turned blue. If it would have been lead in her drops she would have gone mad and died long ago but the body doesn't react to silver the same way it does lead. If it had been mercury her kidneys and liver would have failed long ago and again, she would be dead. Now Colloidal Silver on the other can be absorbed into the cell and passed through the system. The reason is, if I understand this right, is because the silver is in it's smallest form possible while still being silver as well as having an amino acid chain rapped around it when in the Colloidal form. This is what allows the body to be able to process it where it can't process silver powder. I use Colloidal Silver myself when needed but not all the time. Either way I wouldn't do it if I didn't have some reason, I.E. infection, cuts/scrapes. I have noticed that if I have a cut or scrape and put a drop or two of CS on it with a band aid it tends to heal faster. Hope this helps.
Ric
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Statistics show that 250000 to 300000 people die each year in this country due to mistakes in medicine, bad prescriptions and misdiagnosis. Mostly elderly. And another 150000 to 200000 are disfigured due to botched surgeries. In 1999 it was found that 79% of all 3rd & 4th year med students were hooked on some kind of illegal prescription drug and 67% of all practicing Doctors were also hooked on something. Scarry eh!!!!
After reading a lot about it, I am thinking I am going to give it a try. I am not going to make myself into a guinea pig by making my own. Do any of you who posted in favor of colloidal silver have a source that you trust? Does anyone know anything about this source: Link Removedsilver colloids. [/URL] Thanks.
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This man is a true believer of the benefits of the stuff. Yeah, he's been drinking it for 14 years, but he also started turning blue several years ago, but still drinks it. True Papa Smurf.
Here's a video about him.
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://...uAIwAQ&usg=AFQjCNFlZgGN3ED1f0YNLRwy_g7Dr6hh6w
If you want to see that it's not just the lady and the politician mentioned above, google "Blue Man from Drinking Colloidal Silver" and then click Images.... There are many folks that have bought the miracle cure hype and turned blue as a result.
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I was going to say overuse would cause Smurfitis, but someone beat me to the smurfy smartassery of it all. 
Like many things in life, various silver concoctions can have medicinal uses. But the way some of these people talk...claiming it would cure cancer and all the rest of this stuff? Mr. Talmadge is correct. That sort of thing infects other survival-based forums. And if you disagree you will be dogpiled by lunatic believers as well as people with a vested interest in promoting it because they're selling it...openly or not.
Like many things in life, various silver concoctions can have medicinal uses. But the way some of these people talk...claiming it would cure cancer and all the rest of this stuff? Mr. Talmadge is correct. That sort of thing infects other survival-based forums. And if you disagree you will be dogpiled by lunatic believers as well as people with a vested interest in promoting it because they're selling it...openly or not.
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And this thread was brought back up from 8 years ago.
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