Color leaching out of knife handle where it contacts leather.

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Ok so I have been making puukko's for a while now, I love making the traditional sheaths, wet formed over a wooden lesta and back stitched but lately I've been going nuts trying to resolve a recent problem I have been encountering. I first noticed the issue on a purple heart handle (a poor choice for color retention in the long run, I know now) I began to notice that the section of handle inside the sheath was paling, losing its purple color and basically turning brown. The handle outside the sheath is still a nice rich purple. I wasn't hugely worried about it initially, its my own knife and a user at that so color change doesn't affect its performance. It grew more noticeable over time however and I began to worry about why it was happening. Well a few weeks back I made a new puukko with bocote handle and traditional sheath to match, I put several coats of Formby's tung oil finish on the handle, and I mean 7 or 8, it just kept soaking it up. Finally I coated it with renaissance wax for good measure. Just today I noticed it TOO was beginning to show the same signs of losing its darker coloration where it was contacting the leather. The leather I use is from Tandy's, but its fairly high quality, imported from Italy and veg tanned. Its wonderful stuff to work with, it forms great and looks fantastic. It takes dye great too, but I have used it on both puukko's with the same result, the wood begins to pale after a few weeks where it contacts the leather. I don't add anything to the sheath outside of dyeing the outside, with pro oil dye. My question is this, is it normal for that to happen with puukko/pouch type sheaths? Is there a way to prevent it from happening? I'm wondering if the leather itself is just too acidic for this purpose. I suspect I may end up needing to do some more extensive sealing of the wood as a barrier to protect it but I would like to hear from anyone who might have had similar issues.
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Formby's tung oil finish on the handle,
I don't work wood for knife handles much but I have discussed it here with folks who do.
I have worked very extensively with purple heart and had it retain it's purple color; more on that in a minute.

Some thoughts :
Oil may not be the best finish on this kind of wood(s).
You may want to go with :
  • no finish (this has been recommended to me for ebony which I have used in handles).
  • Shellac (it preserves the look of the wood and keeps finger prints and oils from making the wood look dirty . . . some what).
  • Bee's wax or candle wax.
It will be interesting to hear what the people who really know use.

So what have I used purple heart for (extensively) that kept it's purple color ?
. . . are you ready ? . . .
my hard core, Scandinavian (Frank Klausz) style hand tool woodworking bench. Purple heart is super strong / rigid, very heavy and pretty inexpensive. I chose it purely on those properties and NOT FOR THE COLOR. It has worked out very well . . . other than the smell of it while working it which smells like dirty feet. Once finished the bench does not smell at all; just while resawing it mostly.
I used no finish on the wood; I just finish planed it and use it.
This is a LINK > > > to a photo of the work surface of the bench after a decade of use. The first photo with the Pendleton Hunter 3V knife. It's still pretty purple.
Depends on the light the wood is viewed in too . . . the modern coil high efficiency bulbs really make the purple pop.

Hey I went searching for a thread I posted a photo of the popping purple heart in and didn't find it but here is some useful info :
LINK > > >
 
Could the part of the handle that is out side of the sheath be getting darker instead of the other way around?
When I bought this Dozier it was fresh out of the shop and the "ivory" micarta was pretty much bright white.
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I stored it in the kydex sheath and the handle that was sticking out darkened considerably. I'm thinking due to oxidation since it was in a dark drawer.
Maybe the same thing is happening to you? As you can see above, after storing the knife out of the sheath it all evened out.
Might be worth a try, storing them out of the sheath that is...
 
My guess is like wowbagger, it is the wood out of the sheath that gets darker.
Also it may be the finish. Bocote us oily by itself, wood like that doesn't take oil/wax well.
Just hand sand as high as you like.
2500 is beautuful
I like bocote
 
I've never used purple heart so no experience there but have used bucket loads of bocote. Also have a large supply to use, as I made a good trade years ago.

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As others have mentioned bocote is one of those tropical hardwoods that does not need a finish, the finish is in the wood. I hand sand to 600 grit and then hit it on the buffer with pink scratchless, followed by a couple coats of car wax. I also agree with others that you are not seeing a leaching of color from the sheath but rather a darkening of the exposed part of the handle from uv rays from sunlight. Almost all woods darken from sunlight exposure. One of the reasons I use car wax on my knives. Won't stop it but it does slow er down some I believe. I mean thats one of the purposes of car wax, to protect that shiny paint from UV.
 
Seems the term 'leaching out' might be incorrectly used. It's not color leaching as in dye transfer .. but rather moisture. Leather will soak oils and moisture from the handles (wood or micarta). Using non-stabilized hardwoods, it's not a surprise your losing 'color' from the sheathed part of the handle and the exposed part will darken. Treat your handles to some mineral oil every now and then to counter the effect .. and use more stabilized woods or G10 if you don't want the unsightly aesthetics from storing knives in their sheaths. My .02c.
 
Thanks for the replies guys, I really appreciate the feedback, I think Ebbtide has it, I believe the color is just darkening to light/air exposure. I do recall that the Bocote block I started with was VERY dark until I started grinding and cutting away at it. The purple heart as well is known to darken with UV light as well, as I learned after doing some research. I actually bought 2 of those purple heart blocks that came looking rather pale, when I compared the knife handle to the unused block I realized that the exposed handle is considerably darker, while the unexposed section mostly matches the paler color on the unused block. Learn something new every day. I have been leaning toward stabilized woods for their worry free durability, they just cost a tidy sum more than unstabilized so there is that to consider. As for now I will just stitch up some quick leather blade covers and leave them out of their normal sheath when not being used, I hope the color balances out cause its been driving me crazy.
 
Make yourself some cardboard sleeves to store your knives in. Leather isn't always the best for long term storage (especially carbon steel blades). For carry and use leather is great. Sitting in a drawer... no so much.
 
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