Recommendation? "Combat Ready EDA" ? Any earthly use as a hawk ?

Action starts ~8:20 min . Wouldn't a real hawk do more damage than this to a soft wood ?o_O
 
while it's probably a good thing to stick on your pocket, in terms of an axe, its really just a long handle pocket knife. if you were willing to give up more space you could have a belt axe, like the marbles no.9
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this guy has a 15" handle, if you dont like the length you can trim the handle. it runs about $30.

while traditional axes can't fill that role they come close with better performance.

this model has what seems to be a 4" bit. like i said, the handle can be cut down. if you'd like a fractionally smaller axe, the number 5 has a thinner head with a 10" handle, but, since the handle has an integrated sheath, it'd take up more pocket space and is not trimable.

over all it's your choice but it seems the EDA is about as effective as stabbing at wood with a chisel. its like nutnfancy says, whats your philosophy of use? do you cut or need to chop things.
 
It's not an axe, hatchet, or tomahawk.
This is a pointless piece of crap.
It's not much of a knife and sure as hell isn't much of a tomahawk or hatchet.
If one wants a small hatchet they need look no further than the American made Vaughan sub zero hatchet, not this cheapo made in China garbage.
 
I've seen the folding hawk and after consideration it seems like it's just not a good design. Hawks and axes work on the basis of leverage, in a very basic understanding of how they work, and they function by adding a lot of weight forward, in the head, to carry momentum into the cutting media. Hawks tend to be less forward weighted as they tend to have smaller heads but the idea is the same, the biggest difference in a hawk and hatchet/ hand axe/ belt axe is that the hawks slide up the bottom of the handle and are held in place by pressure where axes attach at the end and are held in place by pressure from wedges.

Some lightweight hawks can be more like a cutting implement than a chopping implement and there is some martial arts style behind it. They are light for quicker maneuvers and are thinner to assist in their cutting ability. This folding hawk is more of that type of variety. It should work okay as a self-defense tool as it concentrates a lot of force in the small point with some leverage from the handle length but it wouldn't work as well as a traditional hawk or hatchet. The benefit is added portability.

Based on my experiences with small axes, I question how long that folding mechanism will survive. There is usually a fair bit of shock the head receives because of the added leverage from the length of the handle.

I'm over-thinking this, it's probably more for a talking piece than a practical piece, which there are plenty of in the knife and tool world. I have a couple myself, though some I though would have actually worked well as a tool too.
 
bikerector said:
I've seen the folding hawk and after consideration it seems like it's just not a good design. Hawks and axes work on the basis of leverage, in a very basic understanding of how they work, and they function by adding a lot of weight forward, in the head, to carry momentum into the cutting media. Hawks tend to be less forward weighted as they tend to have smaller heads but the idea is the same, the biggest difference in a hawk and hatchet/ hand axe/ belt axe is that the hawks slide up the bottom of the handle and are held in place by pressure where axes attach at the end and are held in place by pressure from wedges.

Some lightweight hawks can be more like a cutting implement than a chopping implement and there is some martial arts style behind it. They are light for quicker maneuvers and are thinner to assist in their cutting ability. This folding hawk is more of that type of variety. It should work okay as a self-defense tool as it concentrates a lot of force in the small point with some leverage from the handle length but it wouldn't work as well as a traditional hawk or hatchet. The benefit is added portability.

Based on my experiences with small axes, I question how long that folding mechanism will survive. There is usually a fair bit of shock the head receives because of the added leverage from the length of the handle.

I'm over-thinking this, it's probably more for a talking piece than a practical piece, which there are plenty of in the knife and tool world. I have a couple myself, though some I though would have actually worked well as a tool too.
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Thanks for the detailed reply ! Some of that I did not know . I like learning stuff , that's what I asked . I do martial practice with many types of weapons , but never even handled a hawk . I do have a composite Fiskars hatchet and the long handled Estwing camp axe . But just have done wood processing with them . This has got me interested in hawks and how they differ , being more designed for fighting . :cool::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
The fiskars hatchet is one of my favorites, to be honest. The steel is soft but the thing just seems to work really well.

Here's a video of a guy showing some fighting techniques with a hawk where you can see some of the slicing intents. I think the big thing is the different design of the implement. Some maneuvers that make the hawk supposedly interesting in combat is the penetration with a strong, hacking swing and the ability to hook with the hawk. It reminds me of some of the maneuvers I've seen in karambit videos. It reminds me a lot of the types of things you would do in grappling/ wrestling where there's a lot of actions you could use to throw an opponent off balance to make a more meaningful movement as a follow-up/ combo.

I find them interesting to watch but I don't practice martial arts of any kind so I would stick to street rules of fighting, everything is a weapon and just try to hurt the other person more and hope for the best. Ideally, they would lose interest when they find resistance. I've always considered practicing something like Brazilian ju-jitsu but there's only so much time in a day and there are other things I prefer to do athletically when I find the free time.

I also don't honestly know their effectiveness in real world fighting though my assumption is that a person trained with any weapon is better than someone with a weapon they don't know how to use. This dude in Australia seems like he know what to do with a hawk and has several vidoes on youtube.

 
bikerector said:
The fiskars hatchet is one of my favorites, to be honest. The steel is soft but the thing just seems to work really well.

Here's a video of a guy showing some fighting techniques with a hawk where you can see some of the slicing intents. I think the big thing is the different design of the implement. Some maneuvers that make the hawk supposedly interesting in combat is the penetration with a strong, hacking swing and the ability to hook with the hawk. It reminds me of some of the maneuvers I've seen in karambit videos. It reminds me a lot of the types of things you would do in grappling/ wrestling where there's a lot of actions you could use to throw an opponent off balance to make a more meaningful movement as a follow-up/ combo.

I find them interesting to watch but I don't practice martial arts of any kind so I would stick to street rules of fighting, everything is a weapon and just try to hurt the other person more and hope for the best. Ideally, they would lose interest when they find resistance. I've always considered practicing something like Brazilian ju-jitsu but there's only so much time in a day and there are other things I prefer to do athletically when I find the free time.

I also don't honestly know their effectiveness in real world fighting though my assumption is that a person trained with any weapon is better than someone with a weapon they don't know how to use. This dude in Australia seems like he know what to do with a hawk and has several vidoes on youtube.

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Thanks ! Great post . The videos look legit to me . Not much different , except in detail , from what I have practiced with karate , blades and sticks etc . I never could learn much from complicated self defense , series of moves exercises . Sparring was my best way to learn , and the most fun . Got to have the fundamentals first . The basic individual techniques . Realistic sparring lets you see what works and to become reflexive . No time to think in a fight . It's got to be all automatic . :)
 
Lapedog said:
Feel like it is a waste of money? Surely this pocket scythe is a much better investment.
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I'll proffer this much: this particular gizmo is downright "purdy" and real 'eye candy' for anyone into blades, but for practical purposes I wouldn't give up a $30 SAK Spartan in order to own one.
Increasingly so there has become a disparity between well-heeled devotees of novelties and others that seek quality tools that actually function. What I like about this forum is there are lots of experienced/knowledgeable folks onboard to help 'separate wheat from the chaff'.
 
Ugaldie said:
I think gimmick producing to cach unwarned buyers is part of human nature

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Now there's an interesting and obviously vintage gizmo! Sometimes you wonder if this wasn't made up specifically for a wealthy orchard or grape grower for sampling purposes.
 
Speaking of tomahawk fighting skills...OK I guess. If you enjoy practicing then ok, but I only have so much time in my day. If I'm going to train to be proficient, I would rather put my training time into using something that I'm much more likely to have on hand or nearby, like a knife or an improvised club/baton/stick etc. And if I know ahead of time that I'm going to be somewhere that might need me to use deadly force to save my life, wouldn't I (not go there) bring a hand gun anyway? I'm sure the hawk could be effective, but how much time invested? How many times in my life am I going to need to kill someone (I could stop the question there but I understand being prepared) and have a hawk be the preferred ideal weapon?
 
jblyttle said:
Speaking of tomahawk fighting skills...OK I guess. If you enjoy practicing then ok, but I only have so much time in my day. If I'm going to train to be proficient, I would rather put my training time into using something that I'm much more likely to have on hand or nearby, like a knife or an improvised club/baton/stick etc. And if I know ahead of time that I'm going to be somewhere that might need me to use deadly force to save my life, wouldn't I (not go there) bring a hand gun anyway? I'm sure the hawk could be effective, but how much time invested? How many times in my life am I going to need to kill someone (I could stop the question there but I understand being prepared) and have a hawk be the preferred ideal weapon?
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Agreed ! And for most modern walks of life , it would be a little awkward to be carrying around a hawk all the time . I can carry a cane or walking stick and usually my knives (nearly always a cane) . So it makes sense to practice with what you can and will carry routinely . But I also play with swords , throwing knives etc . So maybe some bit of hawk for martial hobby fun ? :)
 
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