comments on 154cm wanted

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has anyone had bad experience with 154cm? it seems as though it chips more than dulls but doesn't chip badly and for a quality steel it seems kin of absurd to pay that much for it when high carbon seems more resilient to impact <accidental not intentional>. feedback would be appreciated.
 
If you want carbon steel, get carbon steel.
If you want/require a good stainless, 154CM is an excellent choice.
One of the top stainless steels available, overall.

A few are arguably better (ZDP-189, for example), but not many.

Never had 154CM chip BTW.
 
I second the "never having had it chip" and also second that 154CM is among the very best of the stainless steels. I like it MUCH, MUCH! better than D2 and (sometimes) marginally better than S30V. This is personal preference now.

154CM can be sharpened relatively easily and it will take a nice razor-sharp edge....and hold it for as long as it takes to make you happy. I dare either of my 154CM blades to chip on me. I dare them! (bad knife! down....down)
 
I love mine with the Griptillians I have. I doesn't rust easily at all and it takes an edge easily and holds it for a reasonable amount of time. Not as long as as ZDP-189 but with ZDP you have a much higher risk of rusting. if you want a truely "stainless" blade get yourself some H-1 from Spyderco. It will never rust since the carbon is replaced by nitrogen and after long periods of use it is known to get as hard (or harder) then ZDP, which tops out at about 65 RC. Are you thinking of buying a knife with 154-CM?
 
A also prefer ATS-34 (154CM) over CPM S30V and over VG10. On my list it is right after ZDP-189.

Of course it is sad about this steel heat treated by the best like Paul Bos.

Stainless steel is naturally harder then carbon due to high volume of Chromium Carbides, especially top high carbon steels like ATS-34, but it has excellent edge and better for slicing, not chopping. Plus it is corrosion resistant. So it is preferable for pocket folders.

However SRS15 - modern Japanese PM High Speed Sttainless steel showe pretty good results on choppers. Better then Carbon steel, I did not chop concrete, but for dry bush, pretty dense wood, it show best results.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
has anyone had bad experience with 154cm? it seems as though it chips more than dulls but doesn't chip badly and for a quality steel it seems kin of absurd to pay that much for it when high carbon seems more resilient to impact <accidental not intentional>. feedback would be appreciated.

No I have not had a bad experience.
I have never had 154CM chip. In my limited experience with the two steels, it takes and holds an edge arguably better than VG10.

It's not as tough as carbon steel, but I don't know any stainless steel that holds an edge well that is as tough as carbon steel.
 
I love mine with the Griptillians I have. I doesn't rust easily at all and it takes an edge easily and holds it for a reasonable amount of time. Not as long as as ZDP-189 but with ZDP you have a much higher risk of rusting. if you want a truely "stainless" blade get yourself some H-1 from Spyderco. It will never rust since the carbon is replaced by nitrogen and after long periods of use it is known to get as hard (or harder) then ZDP, which tops out at about 65 RC. Are you thinking of buying a knife with 154-CM?

ZDP tops out at 67HRC. I was not aware of H1 getting harder in time. Where this information from?

Thanks, Vassili.
 
has anyone had bad experience with 154cm? it seems as though it chips more than dulls but doesn't chip badly and for a quality steel it seems kin of absurd to pay that much for it when high carbon seems more resilient to impact <accidental not intentional>. feedback would be appreciated.

No, I've not had any chipping issues with the half-dozen folders that I have in 154 CM. They are all Benchmades and all users. None of them has ever had a problem with chipping, corroding, or failing to take a razor edge. I sharpen them all at 15 degrees per side and they do everything that I ask of them.

How impact resistant a blade needs to be depends on what you are doing with the blade. A heavy duty camp chopper might indeed be better done in a different steel. But IMAO, 154 CM is an excellent stainless choice for folders that are going to handle light / medium duty cutting chores.
 
I'll second the BM bali in 154CM. Nice razor edge. Dropped it on the concrete flipping and put a little chip in the blade, it was gone with a couple strokes of the diamond rod. Also, like a moron I was flipping it in the bathroom and it flew out of my hand and the tip struck the porclein of the toilet and it dulled it ever so slightly. It hit the toilet HARD too and ceramics can majorly mess steel up, but it's no worse for wear. I love 154CM it just seems "smoother" than other steels IMO. Seems like it takes on a much cleaner keener edge than others.


Yes my knife fell in the toilet :grumpy: and yes I sterilized the crap out of it with alcohol afterwards HAHAHA
 
Hehehe.....(had a cellphone fall in the terlet. Ploop!)

154CM is not only good for small folders facing light-medium duty use. It WILL handle some chopping and other camp chores. Naturally, I'd prefer a good carbon like 1095 or A-2 or similar, but I wouldn;t balk at a 154CM camper....as long as it wasn;t too long, like 7" or so and expected to hack and baton everything in sight.

154CM makes a good skinning/dressing (hunting) blade too. My Buck Alpha Hunter could not get any better in my opinion. I trust Buck as much as I trust Benchmade....they're not putting these steels in certain knives just to be cool. They're not mismatching steel and expected use.

....and I couldn;t agree more with DreamHawk. 154CM just seems to have that "something special" about taking a keen edge.
 
No problems with 154CM here either, keeps a very sharp edge and leaves me with no rust problems on my Grips
 
I have several of the new Leatherman folders in 154CM. I have used them hard in my work. I really like them. Never any chiping problems and the edge holding is very good. Case CV and 154CM are my only blade steels now. All day...every day.
 
I had the tip of a 154CM dagger chip off, about 1-2mm. The knife was virginal, never used on anything, not sure how it happened. Was a Gerber Guardian Dagger with Loveless blade. Gerber took it back (after some argument via email) and gave me an Applegate-Fairburn Covert black blade folder in 154CM which I love.

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ZDP tops out at 67HRC. I was not aware of H1 getting harder in time. Where this information from?

Thanks, Vassili.

From Sal on the Spyderco site. It's precipitation hardened so it hardens when friction is applied to the edge. Essentially it comes out without any heat treat at 58 RC. The serrated Salts have been known to top out at 68 RC at the very highest after a lot of extra heavy duty work, ie lots of cardboard cutting ansd tire cutting.
 
Bob Loveless and I both use a lot of 154-cm. the Gerber however is made of 440-c unless they changed something that I am unaware of. 154-cm and ats-34, It' clone are not prone to chipping at all. Although cliff Stamp in another thread was saying how much it and 440-c chipped, and how much better AUS-8 and 420 are. I quit trying to respond to the thread, as it was so completely off. some how testers have gotten the idea that a large carbide structure is bad, and a fine one good. They tote the push test above all for cutting. Push test are fine for tools used in this way. chisels, planes, etc. but a knife is a draw cutting tool. You use it heal to tip, or visa versa. This is where the larger carbides come in. they work like micro saw teeth, giving the knife an aggressive bite. When you use a fine micro structure stainless like 420, and aus-8, they push cut well when the edge is polished. When used in the traditional manner a knife is used in, ie. the slice, any hard or semi hard and or abrasive material will take the edge off almost instantly. Ats- and 154 do not have this problem, Nor do they chip badly as cliff Stamp claims. This is not to say that his test are invalid, but simply the wrong test for a working knife.
 
I did have my 154CM Emerson chip/nick. But that may be because I double zero ground it. It was the first time I had chipped any knife cutting through 0.5inch hemp into a hardwood block.
 
I use and abuse Camillus Cuda Quik-Action Tanto with 154CM since 2002. Never chipped, never rolled. Once I dropped it tip first to ceramic tiles from shoulder height (ouch) and all the damage the blade suffered was slight dulling. 154 CM is wery good stuff if done right. :thumbup:
 
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