Comparison: Byrd Cara Cara VS. Ontario RAT 1

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Hello. I got another review / comparison request. Tony wanted to know how the Byrd Cara Cara stacked up against the Ontario RAT 1 folder. They're both nice knives for the price, and they both fill the niche of folding tactical / large EDC knives.
First, some similarities: both knives are around the same price; both knives are foreign-made; both feature lanyard holes and a four-way pocket clip, both have plastic handles; both have full steel liners. The exact knives I'm comparing are the Byrd Cara Cara in FRN, model BY03BK and Ontario RAT 1 Folder, model 8848. Both are plain edged, satin finish. How do they measure up? Let's find out...

Country of Origin: The Cara Cara is made in China, and the RAT 1 is made in Taiwan.

Price: The Cara Cara costed $21; the RAT 1 was $28 from the same source.

Handle Length, Construction, and Impressions: The Cara Cara is 4-3/4" closed, compared to the RAT 1 at 4-7/8" closed. The Cara Cara is 3/8" thick, and the RAT 1 is 1/2" thick; this isn't counting the pocket clips. Both knives have lanyard holes large enough to slip gutted 550 cord through, and they are located the same distance form the butt of the knife. both knives are screw-together construction using Torx screws; both are size T-6. The Cara Cara uses three of these T-6 screws for the handle and one T-8 screw for the blade pivot; the RAT uses ten (five on each side) T-6 screws for the handle and two (one per side) T-8 for the blade pivot.
Both knives have handles made of black plastic; the Byrd has FRN handles with bi-directional texturing, while the RAT 1 has Zytel handles with a G-10-like texture. The Cara Cara is definitely more aggressive. Both knives have full stainless steel liners. The only cut-outs on the Byrd are the four small comets, which probably don't lessen much weight at all and shouldn't even be considered cut-outs. The liners on each measure exactly 1/16" thick. The Cara Cara's are hidden under the handle scales; the RAT 1's liners are visible.

Comfort-wise, I like the Cara Cara more. It's not as slippery and seems to rest more easily into my hand. I'm not saying the RAT 1 is slippery; it isn't. I'm just saying the Cara Cara has a better grip texture for me. Both knives have a finger choil, of which I actually prefer the one on the RAT 1.

Pocket Clips: Both are four-way clips. You can carry either one in your left or right pocket, either tip up or tip down. That's great! Both carry exactly the same; they ride lower in the pocket tip down than they do tip up, with no difference between the two knives. The Cara Cara has a stainless pocket clip that's adjustable via three Phillips-head screws. No, not Torx. The RAT 1 uses Torx (T-6), and there's three of them. They're black, like the clip. The RAT 1's clip is slightly longer, so take that for what it's worth. Retention is good on both, although the RAT 1 is easier to draw without disturbing the contents of your pocket.

Locking Mechanisms: Two different types of lock. The Cara Cara uses a lockback located in the middle of the handle. The RAT 1 uses a jimped linerlock. Both knives lock up solid with absolutely no blade play. I prefer the lockback, but there's nothing wrong with the RAT 1's linerlock; it's actually one of the better liner locking knives I've used.

Opening: Both open smoothly. The knives each have a pair of phosphor bronze bushings; one on each side of the blade. The Cara Cara opens via thumb hole, while the RAT 1 opens via dual thumb studs. I can open the RAT 1 much easier with just a flick of my thumb because it has a linerlock and thumb studs, but I can easily (and did) wave the Cara Cara. It's up to you; personally, I prefer the opening of the RAT 1. Both are smooth and fast.

Blade Length and Construction: They're about the same to be honest: 4" with a 3-1/2" edge for the Cara Cara and 3-7/8" with a 3-3/8" edge for the RAt 1. The Cara Cara has an 8Cr13Mov blade that's hollow ground; the RAT has an AUS-8 blade that's flat ground. Performance-wise, both steels are pretty much equal. I prefer the flat grind of the RAT 1, but both will readily shave hair. The RAT 1 has a more upswept blade than the Cara Cara does; the Cara Cara is pointier. Both have aggressive jimping on the spine, of which i prefer the RAT 1's. Both blades come in at 1/8" thick. The Cara Cara will slice easier because of the hollow grind, but the RAT 1 will hold its edge longer. Take your pick of which feature to have.

Which Is Better? I prefer the RAT 1. Everything considered, I just like it more. The flat ground blade of good steel and quicker, smoother opening make it better for me. Maybe you like hollow grinds and thumb holes. That's cool too. Hopefully Tony will have abetter idea of which knife will suit him more.
Below are stock photos of each knife.

Byrd Cara Cara...
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Ontario RAT 1 folder...
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Great review! Personally, I prefer the RAT 1, too, although my experience has been with "First Production" models, not the less expensive reg. ones that Ontario's selling now. I also find that the Rat 1 nearly feels like one of their FBs. It's SO comfortable to hold in the hand, at least for me (I have large hands, needing XXL gloves).

I've never handled the current Ontario Rat 1 folders, but it sounds like the First Production models might be a little different. Mine has a single thumb stud (Left side for right handers), measured at less than 1/16" under 5" closed, & the blade was about 3 9/16" long, with a 3 1/4" edge.

Anyways, thanks for the review.
 
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Personally I would go with the ol' Ontario over the Byrd, even although AUS-8 isn't that much of an amazing steel, it still sure as hell out ranks 8cr13mov crap.
 
Great review! Personally, I prefer the RAT 1, too, although my experience has been with "First Production" models, not the less expensive reg. ones that Ontario's selling now. I also find that the Rat 1 nearly feels like one of their FBs. It's SO comfortable to hold in the hand, at least for me (I have large hands, needing XXL gloves).

I've never handled the current Ontario Rat 1 folders, but it sounds like the First Production models might be a little different. Mine has a single thumb stud (Left side for right handers), measured at less than 1/16" under 5" closed, & the blade was about 3 9/16" long, with a 3 1/4" edge.

Anyways, thanks for the review.

X2 My thoughts exactly. I have a first production RAT 1 and think it's far ahead of the Byrd line.
 
Nice review, I didn't realize they sold RAT folders for so cheap these days.

Personally I would go with the ol' Ontario over the Byrd, even although AUS-8 isn't that much of an amazing steel, it still sure as hell out ranks 8cr13mov crap.

Based on what? I've had some of my Byrds outperform AUS8 blades of mine. What experiences with 8Cr13MoV have led you to label it as crap?
 
Based on what? I've had some of my Byrds outperform AUS8 blades of mine. What experiences with 8Cr13MoV have led you to label it as crap?

I have 2 8cr13Mov knives and 4 or 5 Aus 8 and it seems like the Aus8 holds an edge better, in particular it doesn't roll an edge like my Tenacious.
I just ordered a RAT 1 by the way. Love flat ground, Aus 8, and G10.
Look forward to it.
 
Hmm, I haven't had my Tenacious frequently get a rolled edge. Only when I do edge abusive things like cutting on a metal surface have I seen that. What'd you do that made yours roll at the edge?

I've had some companies AUS8 do better than others myself.
 
Both are very good, inexpensive using knives, I think. Despite my fanatical positive attitude towards Spyderco (and some of Byrd's things, like the Wings), I carry my Ontario RAT 1 folder and have used it around camp more than I probably would ever use my Cara Cara (which I sold to a younger member of my Scout troop when I decided I didn't really have need for it).
 
Hmm, I haven't had my Tenacious frequently get a rolled edge. Only when I do edge abusive things like cutting on a metal surface have I seen that. What'd you do that made yours roll at the edge?

I've had some companies AUS8 do better than others myself.

That is true, Heat treating and such is a variable.
On my Tenacious the edge stability issue seems to be in only about 3/4" of the blade, suggesting some kind of heat treatment anomoly perhaps, Or maybe just a usage hot spot, I found it to occur even doing lighter duties, like cutting meat, with a bit of plate or bone contact. None of my Aus8 knives do this. I cant really compare my other 8cr13mov Crossbill as it has a heavily curved blade and cant really be used the same way.
 
My knives spend about 1000x more time in my pocket than in my hand. How do you rate the relative carrying comfort and compactness of the two designs?
 
I like the way the RAT 1 rides in the pocket in comparison with the Cara Cara, especially with its tip-down clip setup from the factory (I realize both knives have 4 way carry, but the OEM setting is preferable in my book).
 
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