comparison test, slightly scientific..;)

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This is sort of a follow-on to a post I put on the "traditional" part of this forum last night. I was/am frustrated at getting some of my knives sharp.
I'm posting here tonight to get a broader variety of opinions.

Disclosure: I do not heavily use any knife I carry now; I work in an office environment. On weekends, in the yard, or camping, etc. they do get used -- but I can't honestly say I use my knives every day, often. Cut up some food, open a box or two here and there, etc. almost every day, but not necessarily. In high school/college, I worked at a market unloading trucks, usually using box cutters. WHen I occasionally couldn't find one, I used the folder my grandfather gave me, which apparently stayed sharp long enough for me to never think about it being dull. Too bad I don't know what became of it.



Fast forward 30 years. Now, the knife bug has bitten :D .

The point here is that I can't seem to get a traditional folder to be sharp !!

So, tonight, here was my comparison test. I took a piece of 8x11 computer printer paper, decently thick. I tried slicing the edge with several different knives.

I started with a couple Case slipjoints (SS) that I've spent hours sharpening (a Canoe, a Seahorse Whittler). They do shave, and with the paper, they sliced well. Yeah, I know the rap about SS (vs higher carbon) in a slipjoint, but I know I'm not about to start oiling higher carbon blades, so that's not advice I'm inclined to take.

Then, I went to a couple slipjoints (Case, Frost cheapo) which I've tried to get sharp. They tore the paper pretty well - didn't slice for crap. Actually, the Frost "Steel Warrior" worked better, and I only spent a few mins trying to get it sharp...so that one actually wins in this comparison -- especially for $7.00 (!).

Then, I went to a few Spydercos (a Paramilitary, a Kopa, a Native). They sliced well -- but amazingly better than the slipjoints! They sliced the slices! And I've resharpened each more than once, so they're not factory edges. From the factory, each Spyderco sliced just as well, but after getting dull, they resharpened to factory sharpness with 10 mins of effort, if that.

Finally, I used a couple SAKs. Sliced nearly as well as the Spydercos, and I've resharpened these more often than the Spydies -- but they've gotten sharp very quickly, so I don't care about the maintenance there.

Point is, .... isn't there a nice looking (i.e. wood, jigged, etc.) slipjoint that one can buy sharp, and stays sharp without hours of work? I'm pretty much ready to just stay with the Kopas and SAKs for social situations, and the larger Spydies for when that isn't a factor.

All opins appreciated!
 
I don't know about the factory edge, but I have some old Solingen carbon steel folders that took a great edge when I sharpened them. You might look at Kissing Crane. You might also look at something in 1095 alloy from Camillus. I always found a stockman handy for opening boxes.
http://www.knivesplus.com/kissing-crane-stockman-kc-82.html
http://www.knivesplus.com/CM-63-Camillus.HTML

I missed your comment about not wanting carbon steel. It's your loss.
I don't see much point in going with a traditional design with a second rate modern material (stainless). You could try a Buck stockman model. 420 HC alloy should take a fine edge. I would check out AG Russell's website. The Dan Burke Cattle Knife has a BG42 alloy blade that would take a great edge.
http://www.agrussell.com/knives/by_type/folding/slipjoint/queens_dan_burke_cattle_knife.html
 
Thanks for your comments, Jeff.

I've always liked your signature "...if you have gun shoot him...". :D

Perhaps it is my loss that I'm unwilling to oil up a 1095 blade, but that's how I am.....I know me - I've seen me not bother to do it.. :yawn: (hmm, sounds like a Ron White phrasing, probably because I was just watching him :D ).

Seriously, though, what can I say, that's me...but I do understand your sentiments, and I appreciate your time to type them in. Don't know what else to say..
 
Hate to tell you this but with a pretty and traditional knife you are stuck with two options, either a really nice looking knife with a stainless blade or a pretty knife with some form of carbon blade that will actually cut well. Very few if any companies make traditional pocket knifes with high-end stainless blades, mostly some variation of 420 or maybe 440A. My old Case CV stockman when sharpened will cut just as well as my Delica, just won't hold an edge as long, but is easier to sharpen.

Schatt and Morgan make knives with ATS-34 blades, as does Case now but all are expensive. Your best bet is either Queen with D2 blades or Mooremaker in 1095 or Case CV.

Don't be too quick to rule out carbon blades, I carry a Case Large Stockman in CV that I keep wiped with a tuff-cloth from time to time and allthough the blades have developed a nice patina there is absolutely no rust after years of carry.
 
If you use a carbon steel pocket knife in the field on resinous plants or you use it to cut fruit and don't clean the blade it may rust. Indoor use on packaging etc won't stimulate appreciable corrosion.

My signature line is actually a quote from a military hand to hand combat manual. It was written by someone like Applegate. Just because we have trained you in hand to hand combat, it doesn't mean that you shouldn't use your gun as your first option.
 
Queen Cutlery in D2 (Semi Stainless and a class act)

Photo from A.G Russell Knives

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