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I was just browsing through some knive sites and I stumbled across the Gerber LMF II. It looks awsome and its got some pretty cool features that seem more geared towards outdoor survival. What SOG would you compart to this? I have the Seal Pup and its an awsome fixed blade no question about it, but it looks like a much better combat knive than a survival knive if theres a difference. If I had to guess this Gerber is going to be very popular and hopefully SOG will release a knife that competes with it directly. What do you guys think?
 
My opinion is the SOG Revolver series would be much better when used as a survival knife.

There are so many areas the Revolver series would be so much better simply because of the saw...........the most important area in my opinion would be using the saw for making shelters or to saw a couple trees down for firewood.

Yes the gerber might chop....or baton a tree in half, but it would take a while. I can easily saw 6 inch trees down in just minutes with a good saw like the Revolver has.

The Revolver might not be able to break glass.........but I don't think I would need that option.

You said "its got some pretty cool features that seem more geared towards outdoor survival" .......If I might ask, in which areas would you think this gerber might be better at outdoor survival than any SOG knife other than the sharpener ?

The holes for lashing are ok, but I could do the same thing without them if I had para cord or a belt.



Robbie Roberson.;)
 
I didnt even think about the revolvers. Which by the way the hunter revolver I bought for my father came in the mail yesterday and is awsome. I cant wait to give it to him. I honestly just really liked the look of the knive it seems to be wider but the right length which just looks good in my opinion. The sheath has the ability to strap to something in two places is nice not to mention the sharpener. The glass hammer is maybe gimicky but it could be good. Im loyal to SOG but I would like a knive that looks very similar to this one.
 
My points would be the same as Robbie's.

In addition to that, also, depending on what you consider a great bushcraft knife, thickness and agility play a big part. I don't know exactly how thick and fat that Gerber is, but I know that the Revolver is nice and light and the blade is still thin enough to be ideal for fine work and food prep and stuff along those lines. The Gerber has a weight of over 11oz and length of just over 10". The Revolver has a weight of 6oz and a length of 10". With the SOG, you'll still get a diehard tough knife, but you'll have half the weight of the Gerber, a very durable and adiquate saw, and a slightly more comfortable grip.

Like Robbie said, the Gerber has a lot of holes and attachment points, but if you have a little mindpower, you can make rigs for the knife and do any kind of wrapping you want without those holes. I have a few knives that have holes to use for wrapping and such and I didn't take advantage of them because they really didn't make anything any easier. You don't need them to do a wrap, make a spear, lash to anything, etc.

I think that the Gerber design is a little closer to marketing than actual use. I don't know of a single person who needed to break some glass with their knife that needed any special feature to do so. The butt of my regular SOG Recon Bowie would shatter glass as good as any rescue hammer. Besides, rocks work better that any knife. I will admit that the grip on the Gerber looks to be a pretty nice overmolded type design. However, a lot of people find that a two-sided guard ends up getting in the way for some bushcraft acivities and knife holding positions.

It's up to you, but all in all, i think the SOG is a little more purpose built and the Gerber is a little more "make the customer feel like special forces" built.
 
Extra features, gimmicky or not dont make a knife worse. The more the better in most cases. The two sided guard could be a negative.
 
I have looked at the Gerber before, and I'd have to say that it is a little heavy for the same length as a SOG as mentioned above. It does look like a beat up knife, but unless you are sitting in a tree stand waiting to pounce on a defenseless deer with your "Survival/Combat knife" it won't really do you that much good. I'd prefer to have my simple Field Pup for my general purpose needs. If I need something bigger, I'll just carve up a good spear with my SOG and be on my way.
 
I've got the Gerber and its a pretty good knife but I'm sure the SOG Revolver is good too
 
I wanted to add something I should have said in the first post.

The gerber I'm certain is a wonderful knife. I'm certain it would perform. I think for a survival knife in certain situations, it would perform better than some.

What I meant to say above was that any time you have access to a saw, I think your going to be able to do things you simply can not do without one.

I have found this out after 4 years of using my SOG Revolver in the woods.

I think the people that designed the gerber knife might have had extreme conditions in mind..........my definition of an extreme condition would be having to break out of an airplane VIA glass breaker or cutting aircraft skin with it.

One thing I have honestly strived to do ever since the Revolver came out..........is to never say negative things about other peoples creations and designs.........I hope I did not do that.




Robbie Roberson.;)
 
Robbie Roberson said:
I wanted to add something I should have said in the first post.

The gerber I'm certain is a wonderful knife. I'm certain it would perform. I think for a survival knife in certain situations, it would perform better than some.

What I meant to say above was that any time you have access to a saw, I think your going to be able to do things you simply can not do without one.

I have found this out after 4 years of using my SOG Revolver in the woods.

I think the people that designed the gerber knife might have had extreme conditions in mind..........my definition of an extreme condition would be having to break out of an airplane VIA glass breaker or cutting aircraft skin with it.

One thing I have honestly strived to do ever since the Revolver came out..........is to never say negative things about other peoples creations and designs.........I hope I did not do that.




Robbie Roberson.;)
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One quick question, how did you get a revolver 4 years ago? I thought they just came out. I saw the same thing about another guy who had his SOG Vulcan for over a year or two. I thought both of these knives just came out this year. I'm not second guessing you having the knife for so long, just wondering how it came to be. Perhaps you do first hand testing for the company?
 
Oh, I forgot, I did read that somewhere. That does explain a lot!!! :o. Great design. I'll be sure to pick one up after christmas as an added gift to myself.

Found it: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=517519

Post numbers 2 and 3 say it all.

Since you are on this thread (to robbie or anyone who knows), about how strong is the locking piece that holds the blade in place? It won't change my mind about the knife, just a comfort to know what I can do with it. Thanks, J.
 
You don't have to worry about the lock...........it has a hardened pin that slides into stainless liners and is then reinforced by fiber glass reinforced handles.

It also has a hidden stop within the handle most folks don't ever notice......it keeps the blade from ever rotating downward toward the hand.

The Revolver series has been on the market for about 4 years now.

Here is an link showing what the saw can do, (click cancel)

http://sog-japan.com/roberson/rr_01.html


Robbie Roberson.
 
You know since we're making the comparison to the Gerber I just had a thought. Would it be possible to redesign the base of the handle (lanyard hole) so that the exposed bottom is metal as opposes to the Zytel? That way it would act as a glass breaker. I imagine the guthook on the Hunter would work well for cutting seatbelts. Makes the knife more viable as a "rescue" type knife. The more utility the better IMO.
 
That is a good idea.......who knows, it could happen.

I often use my gut hook for cutting plastic and tarps.

It sure does make a fast, clean and straight cut.

Thanks for the input. ;)


Robbie Roberson.;)
 
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