Complaints? Involuntary deployment?

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I have carried the small seb in jeans, dockers, sweat pants - you name it. Never had it open in my pocket. I am an active person who plays laser tag, runs, jumps, etc. with a knife clipped in my right pocket at all times. For that matter, my BM 710 has never opened in my pocket either.

Complaint - maybe its' me, but I have a couple of knives (BM and Cold Steel) that out cut the Seb and seem sharper. I will probably ship the Seb back to the shop to have them see if there is an edge problem.

The other knives may be sharper, but none is built as strongly. Also, who else encourages you to take apart and clean their knives? I believe that BM considers it a violation of their warranty.

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Also, who else encourages you to take apart and clean their knives? I believe that BM considers it a violation of their warranty.

I've never needed to do so. BM knives are constructed in such a way that you can clean them quite adequately without taking them apart. I prefer to just use a little electronics circuit cleaner spray which comes in a spray can from, if nowhere else, Radio Shack. It comes with one of those little tubes and you just shot it into the joint. It dissolves grease and oil and washes out dirt and then it evaporates quickly and completely leaving no residue. A few drops of Militec-1, and I'm back in business. That's a lot easier and quicker than breaking out my tool box to spend an hour tearing the knife apart and reassembling not to mention the inevitable dropping to some tiny part which immediately will be magnetically drawn to the floor drain.
 
I prefer to just use a little electronics circuit cleaner spray which comes in a spray can

Chuck - are you referring to "flux" remover? If so, please know that flux remover is a pretty nasty substance for your body to be around... :eek:

Matthew
 
That's a lot easier and quicker than breaking out my tool box to spend an hour tearing the knife apart and reassembling
Of course you realize the Sebenza comes with the small allen wrench which is the only tool you need, and disassembly, rubdown the internal surfaces with Tuf-Cloth, and reassembly, will only take a few minutes.

Normal cleaning procedure: liquid soap, blast of hot tap water, shake and blow dry, relubricate. One minute.
 
I know most people dont like the idea as it doesnt allow them to "feel" as though they are doing enough to matain their knives. However I personally just toss many of my knives in the dishwasher. If it DOES NOT have a natural handle material, then in it gos. With folders just open them part way and do them with the rest of the dishes. When they are all done, a little break-free on the moving parts and they are like new again. Sure beats buying sprays and cloths and waxes and stripping screws.

I asked about this long ago and discovered that Sal Glesser does this sometimes as well. Quick and easy.
 
I don't even clean my EDC's on a regular basis. I pick the lint out when it gets bad enough, and wash off the salt water, synthetic and petroleum greases and oils when my multi-tool and Voyager get covered in any of this goop at work. Many times with contact cleaner, we keep this stuff by the drum, makes your skin all dry and cold (who the heck reads those MSDS books anyway?).
 
Years and years ago, automobile engines used to require adjustment every five or six thousand miles. Then, engineers improved the design and got that maintenance interval up to 15,000 miles.
My twelve-year-old car calls for a service ever 35,000 miles and they really don't even do much at that service.

Newer cars are bragging about needing no scheduled service for 100,000 miles. In fact, today's auto makers believe that most "maintenance" generally does more harm than good. The best thing you can do is keep your grubby hands out.

So, if I buy one of these new cars, should I feel bad about not tearing the engine down every 15,000 miles because that's what my father did to his cars? Should I feel that I'm not doing enough to maintain my engine? Of course not. I should be delighted that my car has been designed not to burden me with those maintenace demands. I put in gas as needed, change the oil and filter every few months, and that's all I need to do.

Likewise, BM knives are designed and constructed not to need to be torn down and rebuilt. Instead of asking if I'm doing enough to peoperly maintain my knife, I should be delighted that my knife has been designed not to burden me with those maintenance demands. I sharpen the edge as needed, rinse the dirt and pocket lint out every few months, and that's all I need to do.

The fact that some other manufacturer includes a wrench simply indicates that that manufacturer is admitting that his knife is not so well designed.

About fifteen years ago, most auto makers chagned to what are called "compact spare tires." By new, you've seen and maybe even used one of these. Why did they do this? Cost and weight certainly figured into the decision, but so did the simple fact that modern tires are much, much more reliable. Some folks lamented the switch to compact spares. If you look, the spare tire compartment of my car is large enough to hold a full-size spare if you insist because at the time my car was built, twelve years ago, some people still weren't comfortable with the compact spare.

Recently, chevrolet stopped including a spare tire at all on several models. Why? They now have "run flat" tires as standard equipment. You don't need a spare any more at all.

Some people will be upset with that. They've always carried a spare tire. They resisted compact spares but finally accepted them. And now they're being told that you don't need a spare at all. No way. They see this as something being taken away from them. First, the evil car companies took away their full-size spare (giving them more trunk space, a less-expensive car, and better fuel economy in exchange, but don't point that out to these people). Now, those evil car companies are at it again taking away the spare tire entirely. It a vast conspiracy! (The goal of which is entirely unclear but that that's irrelevant.)

I, on the other hand, see this change in tire backup as progress. I'm excited about and pleased by a car that has tires so reliable that I don't need to carry a full-size spare. I don't enjoy changing tires in my dress cloths by the side of the road on a cold, dark, rainy night and I'm pleased that automotive engineers have addressed that. I'm even more pleased and excited by a new design that completely elliminates that problem.

Likewise, I'm pleased by a knife design that doesn't need to be periodically torn apart and rebuilt. I'm pleased and excited by one who's manufacturer feels that it is do well designed and constructed that they don't need to include a wrench and, in fact, feel the need to ask you not to disassemble the knife.

Unlike those who decry the decline of spare tires, I don't feel like something has been taken away from me. Instead, I feel like something has been given to me.
 
Outdoor Edge, Benchmade, and Kershaw all consider customer disassembly a warrantee breaker... however Emerson Knives encourages disassembly, much like the vast majority of custom and semi custom makers (Reeve, Ralph, Russel, Mayo, etc.)
 
I think Gollnick got it right when he compared modern folders to modern cars. I think that for the majority of the car and knife buying public any time they have to spend maintaining or assembling their purchase is seen as time wasted. While I comprehend its existence, I don't understand this viewpoint at all. I know that for me and at least a significant number of other people, regular disassembly (of cars, knives, whatever) is seen as an additional pleasure of ownership. Just two different viewpoints.

This is why I hate it when manufacturers insult their customers by using "specialty" fasteners on their products. If they want to consider disassembly to be abuse, thats fine. I don't need a warranty anyway. Screw warranties. But It makes me mad when some hack in the engineering department at decides that I shouldn't be allowed inside his creation. For example, Leatherman does this a lot, they have a real affinity for proprietary fasteners. Not cool. It's a knife, not a nuclear reactor. I'm not going to hurt anything by cracking it open. And if I do I'll buy another one, either way they win.

At least CRK and Emerson have enough respect for their customers to trust them to take apart a simple machine with maybe a dozen parts without destroying it. Like I said, this isn't a complex item, there's nothing in there that a fourth grader wouldn't understand. To me, not allowing customers for taking stuff apart (or trying to) is as absurd as telling that that they have to.
 
Actually, with the Leatherman Wave and that 5-point torx anti-tamper screw, it is a real pain in the butt. I really need to open the can-opener/large screw driver side because the components are rubbing and sticking and I want to fix that. But I can't get at it!!!

So far, no one has posted anything about what to do with the LM Wave.
 
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