Complete Newb need help, California Laws....1600 cupid clone

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Crimson_ruler

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Let me start by saying my knife is a 1600 cupid clone ,
there is a link with picture atatched if that helps. The blade also comes out of the top, not foldable.

http://www.directknifesales.com/view_product.php?product=1600%20cupid%20clone

I read the laws, but honestly didn't understand them. I just bought my first knife, and have heard everything from it's legal to carry, to it's not. I know me knife has a "detent" to hold the blade when in closed position (so technically it's not a switchblade, according to california law?) Also does the blade length matter? The lenght of the blade is 3 1/2 inches...i read some where it can't be longer then 2 inches? Basically does anyone know if I'll get in trouble for carrying this, if a cop were to stop me for some reason? (as long as it is in closed position) By the way just read on the internet, it's an OTF.

Thanks for all the help.
 
Ohhh, no, you can't expect to carry that and get away with it. Get an assisted opener like a ken onion / kershaw/SOG Flash/Buck/Camillus HEAT.

Carrying Spring-activated Switchblades, Butterfly Knives, Gravity Knives, Automatic Knives, and OTF knives are illegal here in CA. There's a button on the handle too, which might be a safety, but it looks to me as if it's the button to activate the blade. An LEO wouldn't bother quibbling about it though.
 
rottwang said:
Ohhh, no, you can't expect to carry that and get away with it. Carrying Spring-activated Switchblades, Butterfly Knives, Gravity Knives, Automatic Knives, and OTF knives are illegal here in CA.
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Yeah, what he said! Plus it's got a double edge, making it a "dagger or dirk" -- so it's DOUBLE illegal!!! :rolleyes:

It does look pretty cool though . . . is that manually retracted, or is it a D/A with wimpy little springs that will eventually wear out?

For a little bit more than you spent on that, you could pick up either a Spyderco SALT (mini "Harpy" w. G-10 grips) or a "Sharpfinger" fixed blade -- both of which are small, legal, effective, and look really cool. :thumbup:
 
OTFs are illegal in CA if they have a blade over 2".

Dagger part makes no differance. It is only a dagger by law if it is carried in its open and locked position. So you would have to carry it open in your pocket.:eek: Ouch.

The Vapor is perfectly fine.

Remember folks, dirks and daggers are LEGAL in CA. It is illegal to conceal them only (per CPC12020). A folder is not considered to be a dirk or dagger (reguardless of blade style) when it is in its folded position. Thats written right into the law. So it is legal to carry a folding dagger concealled so long as it is folded into its closed position. When it is closed it is, by law, "not readily capable of being used as a stabbing weapon", so it is not a dirk or dagger at that time. This is all right in CPC12020.
 
The only time blade size comes into play is with autos (have to be under 2") and belt buckle knives (have to be under 2.5"). Other than that the size of the blade does not matter. You can carry any size folder concealed. You can conceal any fixed blade under 2" and anything over 2" must be carried in plain view. Any size fixed blade may be carried in plain view.

Rules, of course, can vary slightly from city to city and in places like city and state buildings and of school properties. The above, however, is the state law.

The laws in question are CPC653k and CPC12020.
 
R.W.Clark said:
Dagger part makes no differance. It is only a dagger by law if it is carried in its open and locked position. So you would have to carry it open in your pocket.:eek: Ouch.

Remember folks, dirks and daggers are LEGAL in CA. It is illegal to conceal them only (per CPC12020). A folder is not considered to be a dirk or dagger (reguardless of blade style) when it is in its folded position. Thats written right into the law. So it is legal to carry a folding dagger concealled so long as it is folded into its closed position. When it is closed it is, by law, "not readily capable of being used as a stabbing weapon", so it is not a dirk or dagger at that time. This is all right in CPC12020.
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That is very cool . . . I thought that CA laws were more repressive than that! The definition of "dagger or dirk" varies from state to state, and is often vaguely worded and inappropriately applied. In many jurisdictions a Cold Steel Ti-Lite, a CCC balisong with a dull single-edged blade, or even a mere lockblade would be (incorrectly) ruled a "dagger or dirk" in court . . . then you'd need to spend 5K to have the decision overturned on appeal. :mad:

Bernard Levine, as well as many other knife experts, agree that a "dagger or dirk" should refer exclusively to a double-edged fixed blade designed to be used as a weapon (as opposed to a chisel-tipped serrated dive knife), rather than the oft used Websters definition of "a knife suitable for stabbing", which liberals and assorted crybabies can wrongfully twist around to prohibit pretty much anything they want.

Glad that Californians are permitted to carry folding daggers. :thumbup:
 
Although I don't carry a true dagger, I sometimes carry a Ti-Lite here in CA.

The only reason the knife laws here are not more oppressive is because Sacramento is too busy giving away benefits to illegal aliens and hence haven't gotten around to making more oppresive laws that further detract from the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
 
Actually it is due to hard working knife lovers and pro-knife groups like the AKTI. There are people in court everyday fighting, and winning, for your rights in CA.

It is common for people to beleive that CA knife laws are horrible and restictive. In truth we are much more open than many other states.
 
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