Compression Lock - I'm decompressed. Great knife but ...

[SALTY]

Compression lock - what a let down! A gadget/gizmo solution in search of a problem! Took a good/great knife and made it meh or worse IMHO.

First off, I like Spyderco the company, the people and their knives. I have many Spyderco knives and I like all of them - no complaints with any of them . This is especially true of the Salt Series of which I have a slew of in both H1 and LC200N - great knives, especially for many of my purposes.

I also like the Spyderco Company and enjoy seeing Sal and the gang at SHOT or wherever - good folks.

So, don't flame me, but now the other shoe must drop.

I have always wanted a Caribbean. I like the way they look, I really like the LC200N (in my Salts) and also happen to spend time in and like the actual (geographical) Caribbean. I just kept putting off pulling the trigger on one because I have so many Salts and figured it was just a luxury purchase of a "knicer" Salt knife that basically does the same thing. But my lustful eye kept looking at them and when a vendor offered a deal that was too good to pass up on the (now discontinued) leaf blade serrated I had to "vote or get out of the booth." As is my practice, I bought two because I have a back-up on a discontinued model that I've been wanting and wanting.

So, I get the Caribbean and wow - it's beautiful, gorgeous - everything I expected from pictures and better. It feels great - like it was made for my size and shape hands. It opens like butta! The fit, finish and overall presentation is not the typical Spyderco very good to great - but exceedingly better. Sharpness out of the box? Phone book paper separates in mere proximity to the blade. The serrations are shallower than my other Spydercos and I suspect it will make sharpening and touch-up maintenance easier. Did I mention this thing came SHARP! Everything about this knife has me smiling like a kid at Christmas but ...

What in the heck were they thinking with this compression lock ??!!?? I've got many (too many, actually) folders in every fashion of lock. Though I have a preference in working knives for the lockback - especially the TriAD lock, they all have their advantages and disadvantages. I appreciate them all and even can live with the Axis lock though I do not like like the Omega spring arrangement and that the action can get gunked up in some uses/environments. I tolerate the good and the bad in a variety of lock types and generally don't hate any of them - at least not until I got this Caribbean with the awful compression lock.

The compression lock really is (IMO) a contorted concoction of a solution in search of a problem; I wish I could come up with a kinder way of saying it. Was Spyderco so hard up for something new and exciting that they figured out a way to take a beautiful, great knife and ruin it? I'm right handed; it's obvious that this lock is made for left handed folks. Closing this knife is either an exercise in avoiding a trip to the emergency room or a gymnastics exercise of turning the knife over, then pressing the bass-ackwards positioned lock release, flicking the knife closed (or at least partially closed until it's broken in) while quickly getting your fingers out of the way or holding the very edge of the handle slabs with just the tips of your fingers. Conversely , you could just use two hands or a "thing" like edge of a desk or something. Not much of an advancement I would say. What a rig-a-morole!

I have wanted this knife for a long time and the love affair lasted right up until the first time I tried to close it. The more times I close it the more I REALLY dislike this otherwise fantastic knife.

 

[Danke42]

Classic

 

[ChrisB507]

I’ve tried to like the compression lock, but just can’t. It doesn’t work for me as well as an Axis, liner lock or frame lock.

 

[Locutus D'Borg]

Plenty of choices out there. I don't care for frame-locks. YMMV.

 

[Another Shepherd]

The compression lock and Spydie hole are what make Spyderco great. Granted that my Caribbean does not drop closed, but it will close with a moderate wrist flick. In fact, you can open, cut with, and close the Caribbean without even shifting your grip.

 

[DavidABQ]

I have has 2 Spydercos with the compression lock, a Salsa and Lil' Native, and I cannot seem to like them. They may be nice locks but I can't seem to warm up to them.

 

[chalby]

Plenty of people love or hate the compression lock(like most things) but if you are right handed and find it difficult to use, then you must be doing it wrong. It's one of the most popular fidget-friendly mechanisms available.

Maybe watch some youtube videos to see how other people use it?

 

[MolokaiRider]

I don't mind the lock in itself, but it does have one single issue that stands out for me.

When cutting, it digs into my hand and can get kinda sore after a bit.

It is a solid lock though.

 

[RugerNurse]

Interesting. I found the axis lock to be hard to use. The compression lock just presses like a button. Don’t have to drop a bar down or anything.
Lock types are pretty personal. What works for one doesn’t for another.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Love the compression lock, personally. To each their own.

 

[Docscoot]

Love the compression lock, I've actually sold nearly all of my Spydercos that don't have this lock. Lots of options out there though, no shortage of lock choices for you! Most of my favorite knives do tend to be frame locks, but all things being equal I do like a lock that allows for easy one handed opening and closing without having to put any of my digits in the way of the blade. Compression lock, axis lock, various button locks, demko shark lock, brown lock (really a button activated reverse compression lock), they all do this reliably in my experience. Try 'em all, sell what you don't like

 

[cmfkdragoon]

I find the compression lock easy to use but the axis lock unintuitive and difficult.

 

[Random Dan]

I recommend pinching the handle between your thumb and fingertips and pressing the lock with your pointer finger. Then you can wrist flick the blade closed with no danger at all to your fingers. Super easy right handed, but harder left handed because you'd need to actuate the lock with your thumb, with removes opposition.

 

[Docscoot]

Axis lock has the advantage of being fully ambidextrous. Shark lock as well. Compression lock not so much, to me that’s the only (minor) drawback.

 

[Another Shepherd]

When cutting, it digs into my hand and can get kinda sore after a bit.

Interesting again. Liner locks and frame locks tend to cut into my fingers, but the compression lock makes no contact with my skin.

My hands are size 7.5 (medium small). Maybe yours are a different size.

 

[Another Shepherd]

I have has 2 Spydercos with the compression lock, a Salsa and Lil' Native, and I cannot seem to like them. They may be nice locks but I can't seem to warm up to them.

The compression lock on the Lil Native is badly designed. If I release the lock with my forefinger, the blade bounces off my fingernail, which annoys me. I find it less annoying to release the lock with my thumb, so the blade falls harmlessly on my forefinger, as with many mid-back-locks; then I can shift my grip and close the blade with thumb or finger. But that's still not as elegant as using the compression lock on most other models (other than the Shaman, which appears to have a similar problem).

 

[Docscoot]

The compression lock on the Lil Native is badly designed. If I release the lock with my forefinger, the blade bounces off my fingernail, which annoys me. I find it less annoying to release the lock with my thumb, so the blade falls harmlessly on my forefinger, as with many mid-back-locks; then I can shift my grip and close the blade with thumb or finger. But that's still not as elegant as using the compression lock on most other models (other than the Shaman, which appears to have a similar problem).

Seconds on this point, but the lock is flawless on the para 3 and pm2 imo

 

[DavidABQ]

The compression lock on the Lil Native is badly designed. If I release the lock with my forefinger, the blade bounces off my fingernail, which annoys me.

I will have to pull out my Spyderco Salsa and see if it has the same issue but I remember not liking the compression lock on that model.

Some people love the compression lock; I am just not one of them. I do LOVE the back lock Spyderco uses. They do a great job with those.

 

[Danke42]

EDGE-U-CATION®​

The Compression Lock​

Invented by Spyderco co-founder Sal Glesser in the year 2000 and formally recognized by a U.S. Utility Patent in 2003, the Compression Lock was a milestone achievement in folding knife lock engineering. Although often misunderstood as “a LinerLock on the back of the handle,” it is actually one of the simplest, strongest, safest, and most user-friendly locks ever developed. Michael Walker’s LinerLock took the traditional brass split liner safety of old-school pocketknives and elevated it to one of the most functional, ubiquitous, and, sadly, unacknowledged, lock mechanisms in the cutlery industry. Elegantly simple, it uses a split liner, or in some cases, an inset lock bar, to engage a ramp at the base of the blade. The spring tension of the bent lock bar causes it to wedge and gall (the metallurgical term for “to stick”) against the ramp, blocking the blade’s closure and locking it securely open. Pushing the liner aside releases the lock and allows the blade to be easily closed with only one hand. In the closed position, a ball bearing inset into the side of the lock bar also indexes a hole in the side of the blade’s tang. The bar’s spring tension drives the bearing into the hole and serves as a detent to keep the blade safely closed when not in use.

Although the LinerLock is an extremely serviceable mechanism, it does have some disadvantages. First and foremost, because the ramp on the blade tang faces the butt of the handle when the knife is open, releasing the lock to close the blade places your thumb directly in the blade’s path—at least for a moment. With a little practice, it’s easy to learn to close the blade slightly and move your thumb out of the way before closing it the rest of the way. Nevertheless, closing a LinerLock knife requires care. The other limitation of the LinerLock is its overall mechanical strength. To allow the knife to be easily operated, the spring tension of the lock bar must be finely tuned to allow the lock to engage fully and securely while providing good detent pressure when the blade is closed. At the same time, the force exerted by the lock bar cannot be so great that it is difficult to release. To achieve this balance, LinerLocks typically have fairly long lock bars. While they provide perfectly adequate strength for most uses, under extreme pressure, LinerLock lock bars can flex, potentially compromising their locking function.

Compression Lock Mechanics​ Like a LinerLock, the Compression Lock also uses a split liner or spring lock bar; however, the location of the bar and the orientation of the blade’s tang ramp are very different. Instead of facing rearward and contacting the end of the lock bar, the tang ramp of a Compression Lock faces upward, toward the spine of the handle. By design, it is also located directly beneath the stop pin. In most knives, the stop pin contacts the blade in both the open and closed positions to limit its rotation around the pivot pin. In a Compression Lock, it does a lot more. When the blade of a Compression-Lock knife is opened fully, the lock bar’s spring tension drives it laterally into the space between the tang ramp and the stop pin. Due to the taper of the tang ramp, the bottom of the lock bar wedges tightly against it. At the same time, the top of the lock bar wedges against the bottom of the stop pin. The result is an extremely tight engagement of the three surfaces that locks the blade securely open.

To understand why the mechanics of a Compression Lock are superior to those of a LinerLock, think of applying pressure to the back of a knife’s blade, trying to force it to close. In a LinerLock knife, the end of the lock bar contacts the tang ramp, which faces rearward toward the butt of the handle. When pressure is applied to the back of the blade, it is transferred directly to the end of the lock bar. Extreme pressure can cause the lock bar to flex along its length and, ultimately, to slide off the tang ramp. In a Compression Lock, however, the tang ramp and stop pin contact the top and bottom surfaces of the lock bar, not its end. When pressure is applied to try to close the blade, that pressure is redirected through the tang ramp to the bottom of the lock bar. The lock bar, in turn, pushes upward on the stop pin, which functions like an anvil. The resulting forces therefore try to crush or compress the short height of the lock bar between the tang ramp and the stop pin—thus the name Compression Lock. Mechanically, this is much stronger than a LinerLock. The action of releasing a Compression Lock is basically the same as closing a LinerLock: push the liner laterally until it clears the blade’s thickness and close the blade. Operationally, however, the Compression Lock is safer and more user friendly. Because it is located on the handle’s spine, when properly operated, your fingers are safely away from the bottom of the handle and the path of the edge. From a right-handed perspective, simply hold the knife so the ball of your thumb is against the obverse (left, as viewed from the top with the blade pointed away from you) scale. Use your index finger to push the lock-release tab toward your thumb and, as you do, give the knife a slight downward shake. The blade will close smoothly while all your fingers remain safely out of its path.

 

[Danke42]

Compression Lock Evolution​ The first Spyderco design to feature the Compression Lock was the Bram Frank-designed Gunting™ and its companion pieces, the Gunting Trainer and the CRMPT—an unusual unsharpened tool intended for law enforcement and security personnel as a restraint and control device. These models were followed by the Lil’ Temperance™, the Lil’ Temperance 2, the A.T.R.™, and the Salsa™. Later, the original Para Military™ and Yojimbo™ joined their ranks. All these early Compression Locks used a unique machined shelf in the side of the blade tang to serve as a detent to keep the blade closed. Although this method worked, it was later replaced by a ball-bearing detent and a small matching hole in the blade tang. Following in the footsteps of legendary knifemaker Chris Reeve, who supercharged Michael Walker’s LinerLock to create the Reeve Integral Lock (R.I.L. or “frame lock”), the Compression Lock also got the “integral” treatment. Specifically, in knives like the A.T.R. and Salsa, the lock bar was integral to the full-thickness metal scale.

After earning its utility patent,the Compression Lock became a mainstay of the Spyderco product line and was featured in knives produced by our Japanese and Taiwanese manufacturing partners, as well as our U.S. factory. It was also honored as the fifth member of our unique Sage™ Series, which pays tribute to history-making folder lock mechanisms and the designers who created them. Clearly, the Compression Lock earned a well-deserved place among the knife industry’s most popular, state-of-the-art lock mechanisms; however, our innovation didn’t stop there.

As part of our relentless pursuit of Constant Quality Improvement (C.Q.I.), we began looking for ways to streamline and simplify the Compression Lock design. Borrowing a page from LinerLock trends in the late 1990’s, we began to experiment with the idea of a stand-alone lock bar for the Compression Lock. Instead of splitting a full or nested handle liner, the lock bar was an elegantly simple flat spring anchored at the rear end. Easier to manufacture, it also reduced the weight of the part—and the overall knife—substantially. This streamlined design theme ultimately paved the way for the Para 3 Lightweight design. Interestingly, it was also applied to knives at the other end of the weight spectrum—specifically, Exclusive expressions of the Para Military 2 featuring solid aluminum and copper scales. Because the thick scales of these knives provided ample structural strength and could be threaded to anchor the design’s four-position pocket clip, there was no need for stainless steel liners. The obverse-side scale was simply machined to create a pocket for the lock bar.

Another popular variation of the Compression Lock was pioneered by custom knifemaker Kevin Smock. After licensing the Compression Lock and our Trademark Round Hole in 2015, he used them in a folding knife design he called his “SK23.” The most distinctive feature of this design was a button he added to the lock bar of the Compression Lock to make it easier to release. He shared his innovation with the Spyderco Crew at the Atlanta Blade Show and ultimately collaborated with us to create a production version called simply, the Smock. It faithfully features his button-release feature and has earned a devoted following as one of the most fidget-friendly Spyderco knives ever made. Today, the Compression Lock continues to shine as a defining feature of many of Spyderco’s most popular designs. When it comes to simplicity, strength, safety, ease of use, and long service life, few lock mechanisms are its equal. And once you’ve carried one, your perspective on folding knife performance will never be the same.