Compression lock repair

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Hey Steve,

I have a comp lock that has just a little blade play due to the lock. I know you have been bale to fix this in the past... What is it that you do to repair this? Peening? Unfortunatly I cant send it to Spyderco cause its a modified knife.

Thanks

brad
 
Yes I peen it but its not something I'd recommend for someone that has never done it. You can very easily do more harm than good with this method.

If you want me to look at it I'll be happy to but its an enter at your own risk area. Honestly I do not know Spydercos take on this method for lock adjustment. They may not do this even if you sent it to them is what I'm saying.

This method is an old cutler trick that Emerson, Kershaw, Kabar and several other companies still use and its been around and done by many makers but I have not seen evidence that BenchMade or Spyderco has ever done this on any locks they make. For some companies its probably just as quick to pop in a new line and be done with it that way. This does not mean it has not occured with these companies though. I just have not seen evidence of it.

STR
 
Steve,
What is peening? Could you explain if you have the time. Thanks.
Lycosa
 
It is taking a liner lock apart and laying out the lock on your anvil marking where the lock contacts the blade. On many that have vertical play, particularly older well used ones with thinner locks made of titanium you can see immediately the indenting where the lock has hit the same spot for years on end.

With many locks the detent ball is placed so its at the top of the lock. The locks usually contact at the bottom which is the correct way to make them contact so that you have two points, the stop pin and the contact as far away from the center liner of the pivot as possible for a good stable movement free blade when locked open. Note the bottom of the lock is considerd the part up by where one would put tracting slash marks or hashing file marks for grip for the thumb to be placed to push the lock to release the blade.

Just as I have seen with many Emersons and other brands of folders a 3/32nd flat end hardened punch is used placed such that it can be positioned to effectively squish out enough lock toward the blade when peened that when the lock is placed back in the blade no longer has vertical play. Many times novices will fracture the lock by peening with the ball peen hammer to hard when hitting the tap. Hit too softly and it doesn't make enough metal squish out to improve the contact enough to take out all the play. It takes skill and experience to get it right and enough know how that if you screw it up you can hopefully fix it yourself by building a new lock.

On knives I have recieved for work I have noted on more than one occasion both with custom knives and production that these tell tale punch marks are evident.

You can see other hash marks done in a similar fashion many times on lock backs where what looks to be a flat end screw driver type slash where it was peened lightly on the lock bar at the contact to squish out more metal on it to make a better tighter contact also. These were often times considered final fine tuning by the cutler before finishing up a folder for packing to be sold.

Here is a Kerhaw Ricochet I got in a good while ago for work that the lock had been tuned on. You can see the evidence of peening the lock right below the detent ball on the lock. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=77339&d=1187714089

Please make note: This is not my doing. This is simply what I saw when I opened the folder to take it apart to examine things. You might also make note that in a folder a hairs width is huge. Many of these locks that have play are just that close but not quite close enough. So many times all it takes is a another hairs width of metal to very subtly protrude out and the lock becomes solid. You can see just how little metal moved out toward the contact from this adjustment. Thats all it takes 99% of the time.

STR
 
Thanks Steve!! That was really interesting! As you know, experience is a Great teacher. Take care down there!
Lycosa-Rolf
 
I can definitely vouch for STR's work on Compression locks. I sent him a Para-Military with a ridiculous amount of vertical play. Even with the lock engaged further, there was still a large amount of play. When I got it back from him, the play was reduced significantly.

From normal use, the lock has now worn in well, and there is pretty much no play at all. STR does great work.
 
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