Concealed carry signs and knife carry

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In the state of Kansas under HB 2033 the carrying of all types of knives is legal. The only places allowed under the law to prohibit such are correctional and health care facilities, there's no provision for individual businesses to declare themselves exempt.

In the state of Kansas there's also shall-issue concealed carry but individual businesses do possess discretion for prohibiting such inside their property, but a newly enacted law specifies that most businesses who take this route have to possess metal detectors at each entrance and exit and adequate security to protect the patrons inside, and it's no longer a crime to carry into a store that prohibits concealed carry.

That said is there any precedent for one of these famous "no guns" signs being used for the purpose of prohibiting the carry of knives either in a concealed or open manner?

I ask because some clerk/acting manager at a hardware store tried to tell me that I couldn't carry by BK9 into the store and that it wasn't legal, and that went on for three days until I finally showed up with a copy of HB 2033 at the KS Legislature cover page and showed her why she's wrong. Now I need to know what they could legally do in response to what happened.
 
You can't carry a Sod Buster in Kansas?

If someone doesn't want you to carry a knife in their store, why would you?
 
Keep in mind that this whole incident involved a clerk acting as temporary manager, not the actual manager who has say over the store. I just wanna be savy in case she tries to convince the actual manager to try something along these lines.
 
Prohibiting weapons on the premises of private property or businesses never has true force of law behind it*. Rather, "no guns" or "no weapons" are entirely based on the "Right to refuse service" which is universal to all businesses. The refusal is permitted for almost any reason that is not based on illegal discrimination like race, religion, nationality, sexual orientation, or (in California at least) occupation. Outside of these protected classes, businesses have the right to be little ignorant petty tyrants if they so choose, and yes they can refuse entry or service for carry a knife. However, the business must acknowledge that is their personal policy, not the law prohibiting it. The knife-carrier is not in violation of any state laws by having a knife. It's only a crime if they refuse to leave or barge their way in over the business's protests, which is trespassing.




*Except when it is a specific type of location that is specifically mentioned in law as prohibiting carry or when the law specifically permits this. Virgina for example I believe has part of it's gun carry law that if a business posts a sign meeting x,y and z criteria, you cannot carry your handgun in there even with a permit.
 
If it's business policy there's not a whole lot I can do about it. But the clerk was trying to make it a matter of being the law rather than policy.

What needs to be known though is if a "no guns allowed" sign that applies to concealed carry can legally apply to knives, and if there's any precedent to support this notion.
 
If it says "no guns" then it only applies to guns. A store would have a hard time convincing anyone that a knife is a gun, and I have never seen any case law in any state declaring otherwise.
If it says "no weapons" or "no guns or other weapons" that's another matter.
 
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