concealed carry

[ezzekial]

i was wandering if a ccw licenses not only applied to a pistol but if it also allows you to carry knives concealed that are otherwise illegal to carry suck as a fixed blade over 3 inches is illegal to conceal but with a permit can i
thanks

 

[Esav Benyamin]

That depends entirely on the law in each jurisdiction, juist as there is no national standard for anything else about concealed carry.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

probably not. generally depends on the specific language contained in the permit and on the individual state.

some states have a multi carry type permit (actual name escapes me), and some have permits that list only specific weapons.

 

[ezzekial]

thanks alot for the help

 

[kvaughn]

My Connecticut CCW states specifically pistols and revolvers on the permit.--KV

 

[mp510]

My Connecticut CCW states specifically pistols and revolvers on the permit.--KV

That's right. However, you might find the current lawsuit against DPS, and the CT POST interesting. The plantiff, Ed Peruta, is attempting to get a declaratory judgement that open carry is legal with a permit is not illegal, and thus should not subject a person to arrest or suspension/revocation. However, it is a very bad idea to OC in CT--> there have been cases of individuals being arrested and haveing their permit revoked for simply printing (remember the case in Glastonbury?)

Actually as a matter of trivia, Connecticut CLEOs used to have the authority issue Permits to Carry a Dangerous Weapon (as defined in section 53-206), valid in the town of issuance (also the permittee's town of residence or employment). However, that statuatory authority has since been revoked by the legislature, and any permits issued are now invalid. (I could be misremembering the details slightly, forgive me if that is the case)

 

[Reffy]

That which is posted is very much accurate.

 

[Argyll]

i was wandering if a ccw licenses not only applied to a pistol but if it also allows you to carry knives concealed that are otherwise illegal to carry suck as a fixed blade over 3 inches is illegal to conceal but with a permit can i
thanks

Questions about the law are meaningless unless you give the state (and better still the city) under consideration. :thumbdn: Do you even have a permit?

Best regards,

Argyll

 

[R.W.Clark]

When you get your permit or take your class they will cover what can and can not be carried.

Here is Arizona our permits allow carry of any firearm you can legally own, however it does not extend to knives.

 

[Planterz]

Where did you hear/read that, RW?

13-3102. Misconduct involving weapons; defenses; classification; definitions

A. A person commits misconduct involving weapons by knowingly:

1. Carrying a deadly weapon without a permit pursuant to section 13-3112 except a pocket knife concealed on his person; or

2. Carrying a deadly weapon without a permit pursuant to section 13-3112 concealed within immediate control of any person in or on a means of transportation...

http://pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/az.txt

I'm a bit confused though, I thought CCW permits were still issued in Phoenix. Maybe the selected section from BL's site is too narrow.

Phoenix however, has its own additional laws.

Sec. 23-40. Concealed weapons.

(a) It shall be unlawful for any person, except a policeman or peace officer in actual service and discharging his duty, to have or carry concealed on or about his person, any pistol or other firearm, dirk, dagger, slung shot, sword cane, spear, brass knuckles, or other knuckles of metal, Bowie knife, or any kind of knife or weapon, except a pocket knife not manufactured and used for the purpose of offense and defense.
(b) Every person who, in the presence of any other person and not in necessary self defense, draws or exhibits any deadly weapon in a rude, angry or threatening manner, or who in any manner unlawfully uses the same, is guilty of a misdemeanor.

 

[R.W.Clark]

My license say "concealed carry of weapon".

So you would assume that it applies to all weapons, knives included. That is what I thought. However, my instructor and later a Phx PD detective I spoke with both stated that the permit did not allow the concealed carry of any knife that would otherwise be illegal. That included autos, balis and any fixed blade with a blade over 5".

Now, they both could be wrong, and from the language of the law I think they are. However, if a belief is common enough to come from two random sources, it is common enough to cause legal issues.

And the bottom line is when I have a concealed 45acp and 37 rounds of Hydrashocks to go with it, why would I want to carry a knife with a blade longer than 5" also concealed

 

[Planterz]

However, my instructor and later a Phx PD detective I spoke with both stated that the permit did not allow the concealed carry of any knife that would otherwise be illegal. That included autos, balis and any fixed blade with a blade over 5".

I've never seen anything in AZ law about autos, balis, or fixed blades of any length. Maybe there's some case history or something. But other than that, the letter of the law is the letter of the law, and anything else is coming from another orifice. I'd personally be more inclined to believe the instructor than the cop; cops don't know--or need to know--every specific law or ordinance, they've got a big book they have in their car with all that info. But an instructor I would expect to have the facts about what he's teaching. Makes one wonder...

And the bottom line is when I have a concealed 45acp and 37 rounds of Hydrashocks to go with it, why would I want to carry a knife with a blade longer than 5" also concealed

Can we carry guns into Applebees yet? I know there was recently a bill in State Legislature to allow CCW in alcohol-serving restaurants provided the establishment allows it (or rather, doesn't disallow it) and the carrier doesn't imbibe, but I haven't heard what happened with it lately. And beyond that, I'd personally like to carry (I don't have a CCW--or even a gun--yet) a 4-5" fixed blade, as well as my autos/balis, but particularly a fixed blade 100% concealed. That's just the way I feel though. Although one has to wonder why someone who's licensed to carry a "45acp and 37 rounds of Hydrashocks" wouldn't be a danger to the public if he also had a 5" fixed blade.

 

[bobby.t]

I know the vague "I've carried a blade X feet long for Y years and never had an issue...just be smart and don't draw unwanted attention" etc. answers are BS that hold no weight should a gun-grabber (/knife-grabber) cop decide he's taking you in, but in this case I'll say the following:

In what possible circumstance are you going to be legally carrying a firearm, yet charged for the knife you're carrying with it? Certainly not going about your business or at one of those taillight's-out-btw-are-you-carrying-any-weapons? traffic stops. ("Just your .45 in the glove box? Ah this permit looks in order, carry on--HOLY SHIT IS THAT A POCKETKNIFE?!" Not likely.)

The only possible scenario I could see is if you're in a situation where your gun comes into use, and either your application of force is questionable, or unquestionable (say defense against a mugging) but a gun-grabber DA uses the knife as a trip-up to stick it to you.

In the former case (you shot somebody who didn't pose a threat to you) the knife possession is icing on the cake, and at any rate a non-issue compared to your real problems. In the latter case, any reasonable judge/jury/etc who sees the application of necessary force on your part isn't going to take the tacked-on charge of carrying your EDC seriously.

 

[Planterz]

That's true bobby, but some things aren't worth risking. Many states (in fact, most) that allow CCW allow only carry of handguns, but that doesn't extend to other weapons, including knives. For example, Oregon allows CC of handguns with permit, open carry of handguns and any knife (including balisongs, automatics, fixed blades, etc), but you cannot CC such knives even with a permit. Other states that allow CCW don't even allow those knives.

If somebody were to do so, like you said, it's probably not likely that in a normal situation the person would be "caught" with the knife, or further arrested and prosecuted for that reason alone. But, if that happened, that person would be screwed, face jail time, and if the charge is a felony, would not be able to own any firearm, let alone carry one (if convicted).

Not worth it if it's not legal.

 

[R.W.Clark]

No, we can't carry into resturants that serve alcohol. They fought to have that taken out in the last re-write of the law. Instead we got a shorter training class and a longer lasting license.

Not a good trade off it you ask me.

The state seems to think that everyone who goes into an Outback Steak House gets rip roaring drunk or something.

 

[bobby.t]

Or that in a place full of people and HUNDREDS OF STEAK KNIVES EVERY DAY would become a blood bath if you let someone CCW there...lol.

 

[teknoid]

Permits for most states don't include knives, but some do. The one in KY, for instance, is a CCDW (Carry of Concealed Deadly Weapon) permit. It includes all sorts of things. Among them are automatic and other knives, brass knuckles, throwing stars, etc.

The laws for knives seem to be even more strict than for guns, in most states. Hard to figure why.