Concealing the Gunting

I received my Gunting and trainer drone a week or so ago. I am finding that the logic of the design expresses itself naturally as I play with it. The tool enhances the techniques my body already knows. For instance, the disturbing of balance (kuzushi) used in throwing techniques is simplified by the use of the tool. Strikes, pinches, locks and grabs are natural.

The Gunting also makes a fine utility blade. I like the oversize handle, the secure lockup, and the legal size blade.

My only criticism of the knife is the difficulty of concealing it. It rides high in the pocket. The ramp and silver clip make it stand out further. I work in an office environment and chose not to draw attention to what I am carrying.

I tried carrying the knife in my waistband with the clip under my belt. The silver clip protruded from the bottom of the belt. I could cover most of the protruding top of the knife with a pager and my suspenders, but the knife was still visible at times.

I tried carrying the Gunting loose in my pocket, but found that with certain orientations of the knife the ramp would catch on my pocket and deploy the blade accidentally as I drew it from my pocket.

The solution I came upon this morning was a pocket holster that would allow the Gunting to be carried upright and fully concealed in my pocket. I used an old beat up plastic checkbook. I folded the bottom over to make the book the approximate height of the Gunting. Then I clipped the Gunting into the checkbook and taped around the checkbook with duct tape, forming a pocket that fits the knife. I can clip the Gunting into the checkbook, then place the entire assembly into my pocket. In order to draw the Gunting I reach into my pocket and grab the top of the Gunting with my thumb and index finger. As I draw the knife I push forward to catch the edge of the checkbook on my pocket. The checkbook stays in my pocket and the knife comes loose.

This draw is a little slower than the draw from the clipped position on the pocket. It also requires a slight shift of the hand to come into the tomahawk position. The advantage is that it allows the carry of the Gunting in circumstances where open carry would not be acceptable.

Some entrepreneur may wish to market a more sophisticated model of the pocket sheath in leather or kydex. Mine isn't pretty, but it does work.

I am interested in hearing other methods of concealing this knife.
 
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Contact George Denson @ Video Quest, (Kennpoman on BFC) he has kydex sheaths for the gunting for sale. Look for the Gunting post on Common Sense Self Defense/Street Defense in the Tactics & Training forum

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Terry Prichard (prichard@datasync.com)told me that he offers and uses a Skunkworks Concealment Solutions Kydex holster for his Gunting that likes a lot. You might try contacting him.

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Hugh Fuller
 
Skunkworks kydex holsters are the way to go. I just received a custom made sheath from Skunkworks that fits into the back pocket of my fanny pack that I wear. Nobody can see it when in this custom made sheath.

I don't know what type of clothing you wear...but Skunkworks can make you a custom made holster to fit any type of clothing, belt, shoulder harness, purse, fanny pack, you name it....He is very inexpensive as well. I do believe he has made holsters to fit in the pockets of Docker style pants.
 
Hello Howard of WA. My name is Frank and I own and operate Skunkworks in Spokane, WA www.skunkworksusa.cjb.net
I am also Equipment Director for CSSD and am very please to hear how much you enjoy your Gunting! I was asked by Bram to design the Gunting sheath a LONG time ago due to needs like you presented. In fact the sheath is marketed WITH the Gunting and can be seen in all the videos, including the intro video. Please take a look at the video to see what you think of the standard sheath. If you need a custom sheath I'd be happy to help you, but we'll need to speak to each other by phone first. If you like the standard sheath, they may be purchased through Bram & George Denson, or directly from me. Please feel free to call or write with any questions. BTW, ingenious idea you had but I think a "real" one will work better, longer and be more secure for you! Again, glad you are thrilled with the Gunting.. it is one heck of a design & defense system.
 
Thank you all for your replies.

Hello Frank of Spokane. It sounds like Skunkworks has quite a good reputation. I'll be giving you a call. By the way, I'm on the other side of the mountains over in Enumclaw.

I did see the kydex belt holsters in the videos. It does not look as if they will meet my concealment needs.

Some characteristics I want in a front pocket holster are:
- The sheath should hold the knife securely in an upright position.
- When the knife is drawn from the pocket the sheath should remain in the pocket.
- The sheath and knife assembly should not take up all the space in the pocket, so other items can still be carried.
- reholstering should not be difficult.
- The sheath/knife assembly should be only minimally longer than the knife itself

I can imagine several ways these requirements might be met with a kydex sheath.
 
Howard..try a shoulder rig...I like mine..ROFL..
Jody has one that fits in her "fanny " pack..
Frank can do just about anything to hold a GUNTING or anything for that matter...
thanks for the input for I'm sure others may have the same needs...

 
Bram,

Shoulder rigs and fanny packs don’t work for me due to my style of attire.

I just got off the phone with Frank from Skunkworks. He is making me a custom pocket holster. He mentioned that you tried something similar some time ago and didn’t care for it.

Frank should have something for me in a couple of weeks. I’ll post how it turns out.

In the meantime, I found another ultra-low-cost solution. I used the Gunting to carve a pocket shaped piece of flat plastic out of a milk jug. I carved a depression in the top to position the clip of the knife. I can clip the Gunting onto the plastic and slide the whole assembly into my front pocket. When I draw the knife the large piece of plastic stays behind.

I think I like this one better than the old checkbook.
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Howard

I have chino's with a little pocket sewn into the right hand side pocket lining (that part of the lining riding next to ones leg)and I have been carrying my Gunting (which I received yesterday) in this pocket today to try it out and it seems to work very well.

The little "knife pocket" is just wide enough to accept the handle of the gunting and it comes up to just about level with the clip screws and it is situated at the back of the pocket next to the side seam of the pants.

The Gunting rides very nicely and totally unobtrusively in this pocket. It is also possible utelise the clip like on normal pocket carry to make for a more secure carry option.

I am sure it would be easy to have a pocket like this sewn into pants and shorts on either side pocket (making the Gunting a left side carry knife as well).

I hope my description is lucid enough.

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Deon..you now know my secret!!!I have knife pockets on the side of my pants..yup on all of them..My knives ride straight up and down on the side of my leg just below my normal pocket height...
Try Guess jeans the PASCAL model....
 
Thank you Deon. Your description is very good. I have a friend who does this. It is an excellent solution. So far I've been too lazy to sew the little pockets on all my pants.

An advantage to your solution is that it also works with clipless knives.
 
really guys..Guess makes pants with knife pockets on the side of the leg..yes on both legs...
My closet is full of them....
JAK and I used to kid people that I had them custom made...
www.guess.com
 
OH NO!
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Bram - the new Guess jeans model.

I like ya and all, but I really don't want to see you on a billboard by the interstate.
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Steve
 
Howard,

As a quick fix to the problem, maybe you should try to use an Uncle Mike's Pocket Holster for small J-Frame Smith & Wessons, as well as other pistols.

It is about the size of, or a little bit bigger than a pack of cigarettes and made out of padded, cordura nylon. Another benefit is, it will print like a wallet if it prints at all and not like any type of sheath.
 
Don,

Good idea! A Kramer pocket holster for a J-frame S&W works. I don’t have any Uncle Mikes' as the Kramer has kept me happy for many years. I would bet the concepts are similar. The Kramer has a little tab on the edge to catch on the pocket and prevent the holster from coming out of the pocket on the draw. This type of carry and draw is what I was looking for.

Frank and I discussed the Kramer holster (with which he is familiar) when we discussed the desired characteristics of the holster he is making.

Bram,

Don’t accept the modeling job! If I start seeing you on billboards I won’t be able to resist those $70 jeans. Then my knife budget will be shot to #*!!.
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Steve,
LOL, Bram as a Guess model!hee!Next, you will be recruiting Terry! Bram is a ok guy but a model he ain't!!
jim
 
Howard: Guess jeans are much cheaper in the Guess outlet store..$29...and they're cheaper direct from GUESS as well online..$50

Howard I'm sorry about your pants and your finger...REALLY..
In over a year ofconstant cary of the Gunting and over two years with the protos, the only cut i really got was inadvertently sticking it into my hand several times demonig / showing what NOT to do..oops Ok and slicing my pants..
Mary REALLY cut her pants leg..no cut to her..

and once taking the knife out of the reach of someones reaching hand and inserting the open blade into the back of my hand...OUCH...


Geuss jeans model # is the PASCAL
 
Not to worry, the chance if seeing me on a billboard in Guess Jeans os ZERO. I do not civilization could survive.

Terry
 
Hello,

back from a trip in England.
(a very sensitive country about knives...)
I have carried everyday may Gunting clipped into my Cargo pocket of my black military trousers.
The Spoon Clip is shiny and nobody ever asked me what it was !

The best way to hide it is to show it !

cheers,

JM
 
thanks NEMO..hey will you and Fred be at the SHOT SHOW????
You can REALLY display the GUNTING there....
Do you have holsters or do I still owe them to you and Fred????????
Happy New Year..
In the open hides alot of stuff...
 
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