Confiscation turns my stomach...

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Was doing some Ebay shopping this morning and ran into several lots of a dozen decent quality knives (Kershaw, Buck, Spyderco, etc) & more that the Pennsylvania State Government was auctioning-off. It just makes me ill to think that we're having our pocket knives confiscated without trial, due process, etc and the sheeple are happily going along because it makes them feel "safe". What a joke! The old saying that "an armed society is a polite society" was never more true than it is in this case. People cannot make the case that a single perp with a knife can go on a rampage and indescriminantly kill many innocent bystanders. And especially if the bystanders were all armed with knives themselves. I will admit that the people who brought these knives to the airport in the first place weren't too bright, but this government thievery is outrageous.

Anyways... I know I'm preaching to the choir on this one, and this has probably been beat to death, but I needed to express my outrage at the actions by the government, and the apathy by the people. We've never been closer to losing all of our freedoms that we are right now...
 
>"It just makes me ill to think that we're having our pocket knives confiscated without trial, due process, etc and the sheeple are happily going along because it makes them feel 'safe'. What a joke!"

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When I lived in Tallahassee, Fla. (long before there was an Ebay), I used to go about twice a year to the Leon County Sheriff's auction. They always unloaded tons of guns and knives* - in addition to loads of other "confiscated" items such as lawn mowers, old cars, etc. etc. Maybe I'm wrong, but it could be that, as was the case in Tallahassee, the items being auctioned off by Pennsylvania were confiscated during arrests for other offenses. In other words, say some drunk takes gets pulled over and takes a swing at the arresting officer. Part of the arrest procedure would be to disarm the perp .... I highly doubt the authorities are going to go through the trouble the next take of giving the drunk back his pocketknife. Don't get me wrong, I too get sick at the idea of the government confiscating knives .... it's just that I'm not certain this instance is all that sinister.




* The vast majority of the knives were utter crap. The only exception was a bunch of well-worn Old Timers. Seems they were a popular choice with the drunk-driving, wife-beating crowd. Just a joke, Old Timer fans! ;)
 
Here's one of the auctions:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63792&item=2292822279&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW


I imagine you are correct in your assessment that many of these things are based on true forfeitures from real criminal activity. But the several that I noticed today were just like the one above. The clue that it may be from airport seizures is the acronym NTSA in the title. Could mean something else, but I saw the TSA and figured it's the whole airport security thing.
 
A good friend of mines brother in law was living with him and broke the law in a major way, as a result, my friend got all his guns taken away and was told he could get them back at the sheriffs station, he never got them back. Real nice old WWII guns and stuff too, no Glocks or anything like that. Good ol' CA!!
 
And you have to wonder how many confiscated knives (and other things) just end up in the confiscating agent's pockets.
 
From a cost standpoint it probably makes the most sense to grab it a sell it off later. Whadda want higher taxes? :p
 
The confiscation issue annoys me, too. It strikes me as odd that, since 9-11, knives have become an evil thing in society. People getting hefty fines for carrying even the smallest SAK, others carried to court to argue carrying a Chive, knife knuts questioned ad nauseum about why they carry a 'weapon', it seems odd that such terrible things of 'mass destuction' are confiscated for the public safety to only be auctioned off to the highest bidder and placed back in the hands the populus. With these auctions, I wonder what is being served: the public safety or a chance to make money. Given the situation, I think the proverbial double standard exists here.
 
Yep, it sucks, but what part of "Don't take knives to the airport" can't people understand? Seems clear to me. You know, there's always some folks who think the rules are for everyone besides themselves. Just injecting another view of the issue...

At least the knives are being re-distributed instead of destroyed. Hopefully the eBay winners are smart enough not to take them to the airport!

-Bob
 
yeah it is a bitch but I notice that a lot of the knives are ****** ones at auctions.. the multi tools tend to be in better condition. can anybody tell me which spyderco is in the middle of this auction? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63800&item=2293498026&rd=1#ebayphotohosting
the state auctions can be a great place to find some deals but they tend to be a needle in a haystack.. i remember there was some SOG knife with a axis type lock but the line was a 4hour wait.. i said **** it.
 
especially the double-standard situations, like confisquating them first from friendly knife-nuts or unfriendly hoodlums, and subsequently selling them back to the public again, ugh.

had a similar situation a couple of months ago. my annoying neighbour was being irritating and aggresive towards me becasue of some misunderstanding about my garbage-bag being on his porch or something like that. so, he and i both pissed, things about to get nasty. so i called the police to stop by and talk to us and calm things down before bad stuff would happen.

so they talked to me, and to my neighbour, and while talking to me in my house, while talking to one officer, the other one was carefully browsing my home-inventory, and 'discovered' my various cutlery-related possessions, such as a dozen or so knives, a razor-sharp hatchet and a stack of throwing stars. in the name of safety, they suggested they'd better take my cutters to the station should i consider doing anything stupid or violent, and then i could come by and take my stuff back the next day. i said no way, because i'd figure i'd never see my stuff again.

i'll bet you 10 to 1 that if i'd had done that, and went there the next day, probably all my stuff would've mysteriously 'disappeared', or i would otherwise be in a severe arguement about getting my stuff back, or not...........

only nice thing of the police officers though, was that they'd let me keep my throwing stars. thr. stars are "category I" in Holland, meaning that as much as looking at them can get you into jail already. that was kind of nice.

but in any other case, confisquation is annoying, and often highly unfair and completely without reasoning or any clue to what they are doing. btw, is it just me or is it always the good guys who get their stuff confisquated, while the bad guys continue to roam the streets wearing their trusty shanks, day in day out?

grtz,
denn
 
dennis75 said:
btw, is it just me or is it always the good guys who get their stuff confisquated, while the bad guys continue to roam the streets wearing their trusty shanks, day in day out?
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It's not you, it's reality. I work with 100 or so cops (most of whom are firmly behind the rights provided Americans under the 2nd Ammendment). They DO confiscate the stuff from the "bad guys". But the bad guys always seem to get ahold of weapons, drugs, etc whenever they want them. And that, my friend is the principle arguement agaist gun control (and confiscation of ANY weapons from the hands of law-abiding citizens). The criminals will always have them, so it is mandatory that the citizens be able to equalize the situation by having the tools to fight back. People who advocate the confiscation of weapons from law-abiding citizens in the name of safety and security couldn't be more WRONG. And it boggles my mind that these zealots get taken seriously by anyone. I love the saying "from my cold, dead hands" in relation to my rights to protect myself from common street thugs AND overzealous government agents. This whole pocket knife confiscation issue is a joke. NO ONE has been made more safe because of it. Sheeple with extremely limited brain power THINK they are safer. As has been stated already, it's a way for the government to exercise more control and make more money. Nothing more, nothing less...

***Disclaimer***
Though I am from the great state of Montana, I am affiliated with no militia groups or wacked-out anti-government groups. I just don't like people's rights being done away with for so-called "security" (or for ANY other reasons).
 
I feel much safer knowing these weren't on one of my flights:


25lbs pounds of evil fingernail nail clippers:

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33 pliers:
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50 Pounds of Corkscrew/Bottle Opener

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:confused: :confused: :confused:
 
Shrock said:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63801&item=2292818496&rd=1


These are the really evil and dangerous ones. :rolleyes:
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Thank god these are off the streets. I could only imagine someone trying to file me to death..

Reminds me of that Simpsons where Homer grabs the spork and says "Stay back or I'll spork you to death."

Descresion is the better part of valor, but this is simply fever swamp panic. Lets worry about a simple sak when someone could smuggle a CIA letter opener through a metal detector.. Real good.

::EDIT:: Wow, this is really out there

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42258&item=4343479567

Can't be tightening any bike chains while in flight sir,
 
It is unfortunate. Just today I faced a somewhat delicate situation. I am a teacher in the city of Philadelphia and apparently one of my students decided to tell their parents that I was carrying a knife...my trustly Spyderco Delica which I have carried on a daily basis for more than 8 years...I tend to carry the knife in my left-hand pants pocket with the clip visible. Anyway, the principal called me into his office to address the "issue" which would not have been an issue if that "parent" had not decided to call the school and complain. So now I must agree not to carry my tried and true companion to my place of employment just because of the overwhelming abundance of ignorance that seems to permeate our society. :grumpy: :grumpy: :grumpy: :grumpy:
 
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