Confused On the California's Switchblade Definition.

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The Knife I am wanting to get is the Zero Tolerance 0301, and was just wondering if you of folks in California have one and or any other Zero Tolerance spring assisted knives and if they are legal in California ? The 0301 is a Spring assisted knife and was curious if that would fall under the switchblade rule here. I don't want to buy a knife and not be able to carry it especially a $230 knife, any help on this would be gratefully appreciate it. Thanks
 
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ZTs are made in Oregon, so legally you can't buy in CA because to ship it across state lines would violate the federal law about shipping interstate, you would have to buy a CA legal auto which IIRC has to be 2" or under and made in CA.

Also just because it's legal in CA, doesn't mean the local statutes recognize it as legal.
 
I know Switchblades are illegal to ship here unless they are 2" or less, What I wanted to know is if the ZT assisted openers are considered switchblades in California. What is the definition of switchblade in California and do Zero Tolerance assisted knives fall under that definition.
 
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I'm sorry I can't help you there, I'm sure someone will chime in. There is a knife law subforum but I feel that's going to leave you just as confused but if you post there you will likely get an accurate response.
 
I'm sorry I can't help you there, I'm sure someone will chime in. There is a knife law subforum but I feel that's going to leave you just as confused but if you post there you will likely get an accurate response.

Here's a link to the subforum, good luck.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/735-Knife-Laws

Never mind I just realized where you posted, our were moved to, you're in the right spot just patient, someone will be asking shortly. ;)
 
ZT/Kershaws speedsafe is california legal. It has a bias towards closure, no button to activate it (you have to use pressure on the blade on a flipper or thumbstud), and possibly a detent off hand.

The local walmart sales Kershaw Cryo's, leeks, blur's, etc and they all have speedsafe and there are various forum posts on the legality of speedsafe. It's quite legal here don't worry.

http://www.zknives.com/knives/articles/law/caknifelaws.shtml
type in "speed safe" in your browsers search and you probably find a few areas talking about it specifically.

"Kershaw Speed Safe AO - The Karnette amendment is also what makes Kershaw Speed Safe assisted opening knives perfectly legal in California. Speed Safe satisfies 3 conditions instead of minimum two, not to be a switchblade, i.e. it has a thumbstud on the blade, which the knife operator has to push to open the knife, second Kershaw AOs have a detent, and just those two would be enough to comply switchblade law, but the torsion bar of the Speed Safe mechanism also forces the blade to stay in closed position, i.e. provides bias towards locked position."

"Part 6/Title 3/Division 5 - Defines legal and illegal pocket knives. Full text of the penal code 17235. The most interesting part of the penal code is the following definition of the switchblade knives:
As used in this part, "switchblade knife" means a knife having the appearance of a pocketknife and includes a spring-blade knife, snap-blade knife, gravity knife, or any other similar type knife, the blade or blades of which are two or more inches in length and which can be released automatically by a flick of a button, pressure on the handle, flip of the wrist or other mechanical device, or is released by the weight of the blade or by any type of mechanism whatsoever.

Basically, this section outlaws switchblades, or automatic knives, plus ballisongs, or butterfly knives. Also whatever else can be opened with the flick of the wrist. However, there are lots of legitimate knives that also fall under that category. Next section clarifies that part:

"Switchblade knife" does not include a knife that opens with one hand utilizing thumb pressure applied solely to the blade of the knife or a thumb stud attached to the blade, provided that the knife has a detent or other mechanism that provides resistance that must be overcome in opening the blade, or that biases the blade back toward its closed position."

These are more or less summaries of the law but I looked into it extensively before I started carrying my cryo, your good state wise. Local laws are another story but I don't know of any that bans assisted opening knives, even in Oakland/SF/LA.
 
Bob6794 nailed it with a very thorough and accurate explanation.
 
ZTs are made in Oregon, so legally you can't buy in CA because to ship it across state lines would violate the federal law about shipping interstate, you would have to buy a CA legal auto which IIRC has to be 2" or under and made in CA.

Also just because it's legal in CA, doesn't mean the local statutes recognize it as legal.

The Speedsafe system is not considered a switchblade under federal law, shipping it interstate is not a problem from OR to CA. The AO mechanism still requires pressure to be applied directly to the blade to start it opening, rather that a button or switch activating a spring, and that then engages a torsion bar that provides the "assist". Also, many of the Speedsafe knives also use the torsion bar as a detent to keep the blade closed normally.
 
The simple rule is, if it has a button that you press and the knife comes out, its illegal. If you have to physically overcome a detent, its legal. Assisted knives are perfectly legal in CA unless local laws interject. CA actually has really solid knife laws compared to other states.
 
Why would that knife be illegal? It looks like a normal spring assist to me. As long as it has a bias towards closure, I.E the spring "sucks" the blade a little, it's completely legal to carry concealed, open, whatever.

Or am I looking at the wrong knife? http://www.amazon.com/Zero-Tolerance-ZT0301-Ranger-Folder/dp/B0014E2GNK

I carry a SoG Flash II, which I have been assured is completely legal outside of certain cities that have extra regulations (SF and LA, namely.)
 
Why would that knife be illegal? It looks like a normal spring assist to me. As long as it has a bias towards closure, I.E the spring "sucks" the blade a little, it's completely legal to carry concealed, open, whatever.

Or am I looking at the wrong knife? http://www.amazon.com/Zero-Tolerance-ZT0301-Ranger-Folder/dp/B0014E2GNK

I carry a SoG Flash II, which I have been assured is completely legal outside of certain cities that have extra regulations (SF and LA, namely.)

No reason why the Flash II isn't legal to carry in LA provided you keep it concealed. BTW that means literally full concealed, not clipped.
 
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