Contest 1 Moose's Fire

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Simple contest. I wanna see how many different ways you can make a fire. Urban, woodland, junkyard, or backyard, doesn't matter.

Use your imaginations, use whatever you want.

Be creative, and be careful.

You will need to post at least 2 pics of each method. Post one of what you will be using, post one of it working. You can post more, but no more than 4 pics per method.

You must make a fire. Coals, don't count, nor does smoke, gotta be flames.

Contest runs until Tues, at midnight.

Don't chat or ask questions here in this thread, I'll start another thread for the discussions, as usual.

Open Contest, anyone can enter. To do so, simply post up your entry. Edit your posts if you are adding more stuff, don't start a new post for new methods. I'll delete your entry and make fun of you for not reading the rules.:cool:

You are responsible for yourself, I nor Kabar,BKT, BFC are responsible for your actions.
You must be 18 and can legally own a knife.

You will be playing for a BNIB Kabar MKI, with a Kraton Handle.

Let's make it hot.

Moose
 
Nice. I'm in, BH #89. This is gonna be fun, mostly urban for me though.

1. Hobo Fire

Having spent quite a few unpleasant nights without accomodation in several large european cities (London, Oslo, Bergen, Munich, Hamburg and Berlin) in my scouting time, I alway wanted to see what it was like to make fire in an urban environment with only what you have or can scrounge on the go. Dumpster diving, keeping the fire low, making the most of resources are the keywords here. I just went out the door with my normal EDC loadout (BK14, ferro rod, flashlight and a few other items that were not used during this "outing") and started looking around. Here's what I gathered:

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A piece of aluminum foil to keep the fire off the ground and to protect both of them from each other :D
some fuzzes of pine wood, scraped off from a sign someone had set up on the side of the road
A piece of toilet paper, used for something, but not for its normal purpose.
A few strips of blue paper from one of these "take one, call the number that is on the strip" thingies
Half a newspaper. Crappy newspaper, so it's okay to burn it :)
Some cardboard, probably about 4 sq ft.
A piece of wood, dried up, remains from the heavy storms last fall.

I could have taken much more of the cardboard from the dumpster and a 1"x10"x6ft piece of wood, but since I wanted to keep the fire down, I left those where they were.

Luckily, the toilet paper was dry enough to be ignited with my ferro rod, and a few strips of newspaper and cardboard later I had this:

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Far from self sustaining, but I didn't want to alarm anyone. There have been some arson attacks in the area in the last months, and people wouldn't only look funny if they saw me playing around with fire.

2. Bamboo Fire Saw

Ever since I saw this on Dual Survival (Cody Lundin made a fire with this in the Vietnam jungle) I wanted to make fire with a fire saw. How does it work? split a piece of bamboo (preferrably 1" or larger) and cut a notch in one of the pieces. Place tinder into the "half pipe" section near the notch, turn around. Use the other half of the bamboo with lots of pressure and a saw-like motion. The friction will generate enough heat to light the tinder.

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I must admit, I cheated a bit, after 2 hours of generating smoke, coal and blisters, I put a bit of Zippo lighter fluid on the cotton ball.

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Works.



3. Bamboo Featherstick Fire

Pretty straightforward. Scrape off tiny fuzzes from a piece of split bamboo, light said fuzzes with ferro rod.

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4. Fatwood Fire

Yes, we all know the drill. Scrape off fatwood, light fuzzes with ferro rod. Pretty sure fire, even in conditions with moderate to high suck factor.

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5. Birch Bark Fire

My preferred tinder, because birches are everywhere here. I always keep a 35mm film canister of birch bark with me. Rip the bark into thin strips, bundle up into a ball, light with ferro rod. Add bamboo curls just for the heck of it.

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(bamboo in the front, birch bark in the back)

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Burns quite nicely, huh?


6. Dumbass Fire

[video=youtube;oSk9nU8UimQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSk9nU8UimQ[/video]


7. Hemp rope and custom firestarter Fire

Some fuzzed up hemp rope and a firestarter. I make these out of the stumps of old torches. My scout group always puts them out when there's about 2-3" left. The starter itself consists of cotton fibers, paper and wax. Very similar to what the Wehrmacht had in WW2.

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The rope can be easily lit with a ferro rod, and it gives off enough heat to light the firestarter.

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8. Grinder Fire - Fail :(

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Although the sparks coming from the grinder are 1200°C hot, they burn out too quickly to ignite the wool. Might work with some alcohol though.


9. Dumbass Fire vol. 2

I planned to reenact the firemaking method from the very first episode of Dual Survival. Flaregun. Due to a sudden and unexpexted lack of flareguns in my father's safe, I had to think of something else with a similarly high awesome factor. I give you....

*drum roll*

Silicon Oil Spray Fire.

[video=youtube;GjR_tSU899U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjR_tSU899U[/video]

meat.
 
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I'll see what I can do. ;)

So I had a bunch of ways planned to make some fire, but life happens and I ran out of time to get them done. I just went outside and did these real quick.

Tools used; BK14 ESKabar, Strikeforce, Bic lighter, book-o-matches, fat wood, jute twine, dryer lint, wet fire tinder cube. And I guess some water :D

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Strikeforce, wetfire cube

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Bic, Jute twine, Fat wood

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Matches, Dryer ling, Fat wood

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Group shot of everyone on fire.

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The preceding methods are the methods that I have in my kits to start fire.

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4 1/2" grinder sparks onto a piece of cotton
12V battery, and some gas soaked tinder
stove top

One last one.

steel wool and 9V battery

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Methods I was going to do but didn't :(
bow drill
char cloth, sparks from the back of my mora
magnifying glass and sun
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One thing you should remember when building your fire kits... redundancy. By simply adding a second source of ignition, you double the number of ways you can start a fire! I decided to use videos for all action shots with the ferro rod. :)

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2. Fire Patch - Match
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3. Fire Patch - Ferro Rod
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4. Hand Sanitizer - Lighter
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5. Hand Sanitizer - Match
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6. Hand Sanitizer - Ferro Rod
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7. Tea Light Candle - Lighter
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8. Tea Light Candle - Match
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9. Tea Light Candle - Ferro Rod
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10. Weber Fire Cube - Lighter
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11. Weber Fire Cube - Match
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12. Weber Fire Cube - Ferro Rod
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13. Cotton Swab - Lighter
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14. Cotton Swab - Match
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[B]15. Cotton Swab - Ferro Rod[/B]
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16. Rubbing Alcohol - Lighter
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17. Rubbing Alcohol - Match
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18. Rubbing Alcohol - Ferro Rod
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I still have a few more to post up!! Sorry moose, they only allow us 40 images per post!
 
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In first with pic's, Gonna focus on ways of starting fire and sources of Ignition, not so much on the tinder and fuel.
1) Matches
Matches, yep pretty simple nothing special, used some Pitchwood I liberated last month from the coast range


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2) Lighter
Cut this pitchwood into small pencil sized sticks, then fine curls and finally shavings, done with the spine of that Bushcrafter. Since the lighter is a no brainer I figured I'd show the progression of size in how I light the pitchwood.


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Shavings lit.


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Add in the curls


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Throw some small sticks in there.


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3) Ferro rod
Used the spine of my Bushcrafter to strike the ferro rod.


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4) 9 volt battery and steel wool
I had never done this before today. On first attempt I couldn't get the steel wool to ignite the pitchwood shavings.


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second attempt here, note the birdsnest tinder bundle, this works great. Pretty simple touch the battery to the steel wool and blow on it.


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5) Magnifying glass
BK 7 and a partly sunny day. Add pitchwood and a giant magnifying glass


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Wait for the sun....wait for it, go. took about 2 full minutes of keeping the heat on the pitchwood shavings for it to ignite.


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There we go, flame.


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6) Heat Gun
It does not work just blowing hot air onto wood, it smokes forever,and the air flow disallows a flame. well I quit after 10 to 15 min on pitchwood


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A new tactic. Cardboard with some tinder underneath it. The heat gun puts out a bunch of airflow making flames difficult the cardboard was perfect. The first layer gets the heat and deflects the airflow, the corrugation traps air and the far side layer gets hot enough to combust.


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Ah, there we are. 2nd, 3rd and 4th attempts were all successful. Took about 2 min this way each.


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7)Flint and steel with Charcloth
Believe it or not I'd never used it before, but I helped a guy do it about 6 weeks ago in the rain.


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Started striking the back of my esky and no joy so i switched to the striker with this borrowed kit. I think I got it on the 3rd strike. see that smoke there?


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Blew on it a little and yes flames.


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8) Reflector fire Heres one that didn't work, did this a few weeks ago.


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Got some decent smoke but no flames, spent about 3 hours total trying to get this to go


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For this I only used things I had in my Jeep and I could find within a short walk of my Jeep.

Method #1: Lighter, natural cordage and left over booze as an added accelerant.
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Method #2: Ferro rod, natural cordage, and some dry mullein to extend the flame some.
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Method #3: Cordless drill, some bow drill components, and natural cordage. (This one is hard to take pictures of one handed)
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Method #4: Road Flare
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This will be an urban fire making skill challenge. I think I've managed to document it pretty well within the constraints of the contest rules, so let's jump in and see how it works:

First, it's important to select the proper equipment beforehand. This one works best if you are in a friendly environment using your own gear as most sheeple wouldn't appreciate you using theirs and might get unnecessarily frightened. The BK-2 is just to help point the way.
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Now we're down to the specific selection of the fire site. It's critical to pay attention to the natural markings for safety's sake. Failure to do so could result in injury, property damage, or even death. Fortunately I have had the proper training to "read" the signs, so don't fear for my safety.
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Now, with fire site selected and the right gear on hand, here's my technique for getting the spark going: I turn the knob to the setting marked "Lite", wait for the clicking noise and then move the dial counterclockwise until the spark catches. Be especially careful in a very bright room, as the flames produced may not be readily visble to the naked eye. Fortunately I have a good deal of practice at reading the indications of fire being present.
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Here's the fire I was able to produce. With the right inclination, one could actually keep this small blaze going for quite some time as long as the raw materials hold out (I hear they are becoming more scarce by the day).
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There you go. I hope this was as informative for you as it was fun for me to put together. You folks probably dont need to make a submission for this contest since I've obviously wrapped it up here. Better luck in the other contests (that MKI will be mine, muhuhuhahaha!)
 
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Contests don't interest me much but this contest is a coincidence for me. About a week ago it rained the entire day before and the next day was cloudy, grey and damp feeling. I was waiting for these conditions to challenge myself. My Eskabar only has a ferro rod zip tied to it and no other fire starting materials. I wanted to see if I could use natural materials found out by the river here to start a fire with. And the rain the day before increased the challenge, as I was waiting for. The first and most obvious materials was tall curly dried out grass. I couldn't get it lit. I then searched for alternate materials. I found white fluffy thistle heads which were laying flat in the field and wet\damp. As I was going back to my fire making spot I saw a medium sized empty and half torn wasp nest in a bush. Bingo. Actually it turned out that the wasp nest was also wet\damp. Great material though. I scrunched\bundled\prepped these materials including pulling the thistle fluff apart. Many times I would get a small slow burn on the wasp nest or a quick tiny flash burn in the semi soggy thistle down. Over 10-15 minutes of repeated tiny burns I finally got a quick flame, that died quickly twice, before I could handle the bundle. The third time was the charm and I got my secondary tinder in to get a dandy little fire started. Then I stomped it out. I did it with all natural materials in lousy damp conditions. I was satisfied. At one point near the end I had my rod and striker right inside my pile and I was really ripping on it repeatedly and quickly, zip,zip,zip,zip. I noticed that this not only generated a great supply of sparks but also gave off surprising heat. Heat which I believe helped to dry my materials enough to catch a decent flame. I believe that I taught myself a useful technique that day, in regard to damp materials. * I brought a spare ferro rod along to chew up as a pratice piece and kept the rod zip tied to the knife alone for an emergency. I have previously used the Eskabar as a striker and ripping the base of the blade across rips out great gobs of sparks. I probably have 4-5 rods in different knife pouches or whatever.
 
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Here are a few more!!! Just to be clear, BFC will not allow me to have more than 40 photo-type objects in one post.

19. Duraflame Firestart - Lighter
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20. Duraflame Firestart - Match
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21. Duraflame Firestart - Ferro Rod
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22. Stove Fire - Heating Element - You smokers out there KNOW you've done this before!
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23. Trash Fire “Hiding the Evidence from the Mrs.!” - Lighter
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And last, but most definitely NOT least!
24. Artistic “BK&T is on FIRE!!” - Lighter
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nobody has tried the condom trick yet :)

dang, wish i could play!
 
Midnight do come fast, ya'll. Some good entries, but I'm sure some of ya'll are just waitin' til the last minute, to build suspense.:D

Moose
 
Ok, first off the disclaimer. Some of these are probably dangerous and should probably not be done by minors, and possibly even some adults. Some probably shouldn't be done unless actually necessary. Aerosol cans and flames can be a dangerous mix, the can could explode. Burning pitch is not easily extinguished and will continue to burn even in high wind or when thrown through the air and will continue to burn on whatever (or whoever) it sticks to.



(1) Fire piston, using char cloth to get a coal, cedar bark for tinder, and dead twigs for fuel. Place a small wad of char cloth in the cup, partially insert the tube into the block, smack it on your thigh with good force and you get a coal. Place the coal in the tinder nest and cover it, hold the nest in place with the twigs and blow the coal into flames.

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(2) Alcohol prep pad and a fire steel. This is a simple one, just whittle some feather sticks lay them on the alcohol pad, spark the alcohol pad into flames and add smaller twigs for fuel.

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(3) Tire plug and a butane lighter, yes tire plugs are flammable, and will burn long enough to ignite damp fuel. Light plug on fire, add fuel, and avoid smoke.

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(4) WD-40 and a butane lighter. Another simple one, whittle some feather sticks, gather some small pieces for fuel. Make your lay like you would with a match but minus the tinder. Ignite the lighter near the fire lay, aim the stream at the fire lay through the flames and spray.

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(5) Flint and steel, char cloth, and a dry Mullein tuft for a coal expander. First whittle some fine feather sticks. Then tear a divot in the mullein tuft, spark the char cloth, embed it into the mullein, hold with a finger and blow to expand the coal. Then hold the mullein down with the feather sticks touching the coal and blow more and harder to really expand the coal to ignite the feather sticks.

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(6) Dead lighter and hand sanitizer. So you need a fire and you have a dead lighter and some hand sanitizer on hand, all is not lost. Dead lighters aren’t always as dead as they first appear, especially if it just died recently. Remove the housing of the lighter and the child safety strap. Hold the button down with the thumb of one hand and strike the lighter with the forefinger of the other hand. You should get a small flame. Gather your fuel like normal, and tear or cut a piece of cloth. Pour a liberal amount of hand sanitizer on the cloth, pile the fire lay on top and use the small flame to ignite the cloth. A “dead” bic can usually do this a few times before being actually dead. Another quick note about butane lighters, in colder months they can just be too cold to produce fumes in the fuel area and rubbing them between palms or holding in an arm pit for a while can be all it takes to make them produce flames again.

***For this one, more than four pics would have been better, and a video even better still so I’ll do a separate video on this subject later if there is interest in it.***

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(7) Spark light and tinder quick. Hard to get much more simple than this, no wonder they are in issue survival kits now. Gather fuel, fuz up the end of the tinder quick, and spark the wheel to throw sparks into that fuz. Add fuel to the flames and you have fire. I use two larger twigs to hold the fuel above the flames.

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(8) Bamboo shavings and a fire steel.

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(9) Trioxane and a nano striker

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(10) Roasted Brazil nuts and a lighter.

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(11) Fire straw with a dead butane lighter for a striker

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(12) Fatwood and a nano striker

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(13) ESEE Business card and a lighter.

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I found a little time Saturday to play with some fire. Here are a few pretty basic methods I happened to have available in my kit when I headed to the woods.

Swedish firesteel and fatwood shavings

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ESEE fire kit with misch metal and petroleum jelly cotton ball

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Bic lighter and bicycle inner tube

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Firesteel and Fire Paste

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Ok, great contest guys. I'm locking this one, and I'll judge it tonight and post a winner.

Great work guys, really great work.

Moose
 
Well, I have to tell ya'll, this was completely awesome. I saw some of the old, fallback stuff, some new stuff, and some stuff that I don't want to see again.:D

The idea behind this contest was to get your minds outside the box for fire. It worked.:D

From my count, I have 2 guys that I really liked, and had a few things that twisted my mind a little, and made me laff alot. I really wish I could give all of ya'll a prize, really, really I do, but this was a one knife contest, and therefore, one winner.

I like wilderness skills, but this contest had nothing to do with that, but old habits die hard, and I really liked the way Mist kept it all in the "woods", but also had a few urban "fires" too.

. I also liked the fact that maethor (meat) really went outside the norms for his fire, and even posted a fail. Still trying to figure out how that didn't light, should have, but alas it didn't.

Mist had 2 starters that really stuck out in ma mind, the brazil nuts, and the ESEE card (:D loved it!!!). Those are pretty great ideas, and worked better than I could have imagined.

Meat, well, hell, they were just weird, and good ideas all. Plus, he had a couple of vids, and he gave me a "shout out" on yuotube :D. Not to mention, his knee is still healing from an axe wound. WTH is wrong with you, meat, axe goes in the wood. :D

So, the winners are,

Mistwalker wins the New Kabar MKI.

Maethor, will be going Gold.

All of ya'll done such a good job, and with so much thought put in it, I will be working something up for all of ya'll in the next couple of weeks.

Moose
 
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