Corby bolts question?

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I'm going to order some corby bolts today and just not sure what to get. My question is does it matter if they are aluminum, stainless or nickel finish? Not sure what application you use what on?

This is my first knife so just looking for input. I'm going to put wood sales on a 1080+ blade with them.

Lastly can you force a patina on the corby to match the blade? Thanks

JP
 
On your first knife, I would use nickel Corby bolts or brass. Stainless is considerably harder to shape and polish, aluminum is for specialty handles.
 
I goop everything up with epoxy, bolts, threads, and holes and let it all cure that way. Some epoxy around your bolts helps them tighten more, and renders invisible any little glue gaps there might be around the heads.

Of course I do a dry run and make sure everything is as I want it first.

One big thing I'd advise you to watch for when using your corbys the first time (and every time) is that you counterbore them into the scales far enough that you don't grind into the core on the female bolt or past the shoulder on either when shaping your handle. Not all corbys are manufactured equal; on some the female barrel is actually drilled deeper than the shoulder of the bolt. Take a needle or toothpick and check the depth of the bore on the female corby so that you don't get any unpleasant surprises.

And, don't let your bolts heat up too much from grinding. If they are too hot to touch after shaping the handle for a while, I cool them by blasting them with a compressed air nozzle. Water is OK too but can be messy/undesirable. Ken Onion uses ice cubes sometimes, which seemed to work well when I tried it. Otherwise you can get burn marks around your fasteners. Sharp belts help to prevent this as well- not to mention sharp belts will help them not to stand slightly proud of the surrounding scale material when finished. Excessive slack belting can exacerbate this latter problem...
 
Just don't put epoxy down in the female hole. It can cause a fastener to not seat all the way.

Yes, this is important. If you put epoxy on the male thread, it won't cause any problems ( but I don't do it). However, if you put epoxy in the female hole, it will prevent the male part from going in all the way ( because liquid is incompressible). I have had some people say they did it and the bolts still tightened, but I would never do it myself.

Under normal circumstances, the bolts will hold forever with just epoxy along the hole drilled in the handle wood.
Epoxy on the outside of the bolts and along the counetrbore holes sides is a very good idea. I put a little in the handle holes with a small screwdriver, then I put some on the bolts by setting them down on a piece of cardboard with some epoxy spread on it and rolling them across it.

Use the slowest curing epoxy you can find. 24 hour cure is best.

While plain uncolored epoxy will work just fine, I always tint the resin to match the wood color. It does not need to be a perfect match, but I tint it to the same basic color group. Black, gray, brown, reddish, etc. What I use for the dye is the dry pigment for coloring epoxy. I have five jars of pigment - Red, Black, Tan, Blue, White - that I can mix to match almost any wood tone and most synthetic materials. I have been using the same jars for many years, with the black being to only one I have ever replaced. I got it from K&G for something like six buck a jar. Just a toothpick tip of dye will color enough epoxy for five handles.....you only need a tiny amount.
I lay out the handles in order of darkness of wood tone. I start tinting the mixing cup of epoxy with the lightest color needed to match the handle wood, and add more pigment as needed to change the color as I do darker handles. Normally I start with tan, then add a tiny amount of black and red for a darker brown color, then more black for black handles, and finally some white to make the glue pot gray. Red, blue, and white for liners, ivory, and colored handles, I usually mix by themselves.

Salem's caveat about knowing the hole depth of the female bolt is very important. The shaft hole MUST be lower than the final handle surface or you will grind into it and the rivet will show a circle or hole on the surface. If the bolts are too long, and you can't drill the counterbore deep enough, shorten the bolts by grinding some off each side. Corby bolts come in different shaft lengths, so pick the ones that match the handle thickness you will be using. Longer Corby bolts for big fat chopper handles, and short ones for thin handled kitchen knives.

While you want a thick enough shoulder under the bolt shaft for the bolt to seat on, it does not need to be very thick. As long as the seat is 1/16" or more thick, you will have plenty of strength. I set my drill press stop to make all my seats at 1/8" thick. This leaves plenty of room for shaping the handle, and gets the bolt shaft hole well below the handle surface.
 
Thanks for all the tips, sure glad I found this site.

Last question I ordered 1/4" corbys and the Jantz website says tang holes should be 3/16" or larger. If I drill my holes 3/16 in my tang pre heat treat at that size will I be good? 1080+ steel
 
I use the rule of 30-50% larger than the bolt shaft. I would drill the tang hole at 1/4" for a 3/16" bolt shaft. Any hole larger than the shaft will work, but it can get tricky lining up three bolts without a little wiggle room. I would make the hole .200" minimum.
 
Salem and Bladsmith really mentioned it well but I would like to stress it. Measure that depth first and always do a dry fit up. Can't tell ya some of the words I have said when I did not.
 
HT shouldn't change your hole size. You may get a little decarb in there, but as long as you aren't hotworking the metal the holes wont change. I drill all my holes to exact size as I teporarily fit everything for shaping and blow it apart prior to HT and finishing. Never had a hole change size...

Dying the epoxy is a great tip and can make the difference between an amateurish appearing visible glue line and a dead flush fit. The liquid epoxy dye will dry up long before you use it. Get the powder stuff Stacy mentioned. And adding a powder pigment to an epoxy will not weaken it, it may actually strengthen it a bit as solids suspended in a glue provide strong points for glue molecules to lock onto. Sounds weird, but it actually works. Look up the technique several heren have switched to of using a bit of the epoxy resin to 'wet sand' in our glue joints. It works amazingly well. West Systems recommends this technique.

I have used Rit powder dye, and tempra paint powder to dye epoxy with in the past out of necessity. I would recommend the professional stuff though as a little less goes a lot further in coloring the epoxy. I have also heard using food coloring and corn starch to make a dry epoxy dye in a pinch, but I personally haven't tried it.

My mentor uses colored craft paper on a lot of his visible joints and it gives a really clean contrasting glue line. Usually black. He says paper that impregnates well with the epoxy actually strengthens the bond as well.

Sorry for diverging into glue-up technique. I have worked with resins for years and have found 90% of people's failed unions or impregnations are due to poor prep or poor mixing. And use good high quality products.

Cheers. Oh, and check out Aaron Gough's testing of corbie strength. I had dismissed them honestly, but now have a handful of each size in the shop...

-Eric
 
Just don't put epoxy down in the female hole. It can cause a fastener to not seat all the way.

While you want a thick enough shoulder under the bolt shaft for the bolt to seat on, it does not need to be very thick. As long as the seat is 1/16" or more thick, you will have plenty of strength. I set my drill press stop to make all my seats at 1/8" thick. This leaves plenty of room for shaping the handle, and gets the bolt shaft hole well below the handle surface.

Great tips. Why didn't you guys tell me that about 5 years ago? I've made both those mistakes and each time it took me a minute to figure out WTH happened. In another case, the bolt was seated properly but the female had simply been drilled too deep, well into the shoulder/head. I was able to use up the rest of that batch of bolts on thicker handles, but I never bought 'em from that vendor again.

Grinding through a bolt and exposing the thread hole is no fun at all :grumpy:
 
Dry fit is super important for all the reasons mentioned above. I have also had it so that I didn't counter bore the whole deep enough and I could not actually get the male and female end to engage, even though they were inside each other by eye. I bored out each hole a bit deeper to solve that of course, but if I had gooped glue on it without checking, I would have had a messy problem!
 
Dry fit is EXTREMELY important.

When the bolts are properly seated, they should mate about 75% to 90% of the shaft depth. Screw a pair together all the way finger snug. Measure the distance from end to end. Unscrew them three full turns and measure again. The two readings are the desired minimum and maximum distance. Now, dry fit assemble them on your knife. Measure again...is the distance in this range? If not, you may need to either drill the counterbore seat deeper, or use different bolts. In a perfect dry fit, the measurement will be just a little over the fully closed reading.
 
Dry fit is EXTREMELY important.

When the bolts are properly seated, they should mate about 75% to 90% of the shaft depth. Screw a pair together all the way finger snug. Measure the distance from end to end. Unscrew them three full turns and measure again. The two readings are the desired minimum and maximum distance. Now, dry fit assemble them on your knife. Measure again...is the distance in this range? If not, you may need to either drill the counterbore seat deeper, or use different bolts. In a perfect dry fit, the measurement will be just a little over the fully closed reading.

Makes sense and strikes me as a smarter play. I suspect that in the case above I bored the holes enough to get to about 40% engagement. This is not terrific, but I bought a lot of bolts that are the same size and one counter bore bit to simplify start up issues. Obviously getting 90% engagement thins out the handle slabs a bit more and I didn't want them too thin. Time will tell if things stay together, but no complaints or failures yet with any of my "younger" knives. Well see.
 
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