correct sharpening technique and gear

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I'm not too good at sharpening...it's a skill that I need to develop...I've heard of a wire edge Some say it's good some say it's bad I don't know what this means or how to tell if I get one..I'd liek some advice on the simplest idiot proof method of sharpenng a knife...typically I run my blades along a ceramic rod and strop a few times as touch up and it seems to work well but I'd like to get to the level where I can get my blades really sharp, and useable, any simple advice on technique and equipment would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
I'm not too good at sharpening either. I recently bought an Edge Pro Apex sharpener. It is a bit on the pricey side, but it was well worth the money in my opinion. It is not what one would consider a "field expedient" sharpening system, however, if that is what you are looking for. -Matt-
 
Riley,
I would recommend for you the Spyderco Sharpmaker. It was recommended to me by many in the Toolshed forum and I'm glad I got it.

Alot of guys like benchstones. I think the Sharpmaker is the same principal only the stone is 15 or 20 degrees off vertical, as opposed to horizontal. You might try posing this question in the Toolshed and get some experts to respond.

I will say, though, that I've taken my Sharpmaker with me and sharpened at a desk, on the hood of my truck, on the tailgate, on the hood of a car, on my lap in a car (not very accurate but I adjusted), and probably another place or two that I can't think of right now. It's still not quite compact enough for ultralight backpacking, but I'll be taking it camping this spring with the family.
 
I don't own a Sharpmaker but the concept is very sound. Plus it seems to be considered the gold standard for that kind of sharpener, and I don't think I've ever heard a complaint about their quality.

I learned freehand on bench stones, but I think it would be better to learn on the Sharpmaker; much easier to see and get a "feel" for the angle. In fact I sharpen "wrong"... rather than lay the stone on the bench, I hold it in my hand so I can watch the angle. Cheating, I guess, but it works for me. Watch your fingers! :D

Barring a Sharpmaker, get you some diamond plates. They cut faster and are easier to keep clean than natural stones.

About the "wire edge"... this happens when you have the edge very close to being finished. It's just a small burr of steel, a natural byproduct of grinding almost any metal. Generally you can just feel it with your fingernail, and it can be straightened out or better yet, removed by stropping. Naturally some steels practically throw a big burr at you, some barely develop one at all.

The only thing to do is to keep sharpening, go slow and do your best to keep the angle consistent. This would be a lot easier if you were sitting next to me... kinda hard to explain in just words!
 
Hi Guys,
I am new to the forum and one of the reasons I joined was to learn about blade quality and sharpening techniques.
Until recently I kept my hunting blades 'reasonable' with a 'Bladetech' from Attacc UK. Handy little tool but not great.
I have just ordered a Gatco Profressional system - are these any good?
 
Dang, MSCantrell should send that to Lansky and have them include it in their kits. Excellent tutorial, thanks for linking that, morph!
 
I bought a Lansky and tried (and eventually succeeded) to re-bevel my RAT-3 in D2 steel. It was a workout I won;t forget soon and I am bigger and stronger now because of it.

The Lansky and Gatco (same principals) have a unique problem. That is keeping the angle consistent throughout the length of the blade. I am going to go to that tutorial site and see what I did wrong. Another problem with those two systems is getting the blade clamped correctly into the system's jaws. Pay close attention when you do this. Aside from that, theoretically they should work smoothly.

It's hard to beat the Sharpmaker though. It IS freehand honing. It IS a benchstone system. It IS sharpening by hand. And it's very fast to setup and use.

I still would like to get a couple of diamond benchstones and get better at sharpening. I'm sure, however, that I would find a way (maybe plow some dados [grooves] in a piece of wood at 12, 15, 17, and 20 degree angles) to set the stone up so many degrees off of vertical so I can "see" what angle I'm holding the knife blade as I sharpen.
 
..I've heard of a wire edge Some say it's good some say it's bad I don't know what this means or how to tell if I get one!

There used to be a great place here on this forum that talked about the wire edge and what it all means, but I cant seem to find it.

Others have given good advice, let me just add this little more:

Think of the "wire edge" as being just like a person who comes to your house for an important visit.
You look to him getting to your house, you get things ready for him, and you enjoy your time with him when he shows up..

BUT, the time comes when you also really enjoy watching him drive away too!

The wire edge is just like that!
You have to get a good wire edge if you mean to have a sharp edge.
Without a wire edge you can never be sure you got your knife as sharp as it could have been.
BUT, once you get the wire edge along your knife edge it's also just as important to get rid of it!


it's nice to see, and nice to see go away.,....
 
I do not mean this to offend any one, But wire edges need to be understood not formed on a blade. In the process of learning how to get a knife sharp I went thru the wire edge stage thing too. On most steels it is very easy to avoid them. You will get the blade sharper faster and sacrifice less of your blade in doing so. Every steel behaves a little different, it just takes practice, and very light strokes when nearing the finish.

Leon
 
as far as I know, the wire burr is needed to know that you have the edge correct.
And as far as I know, every way anyone can think of will still make a wire.
There is a link about this on the forum today. I will try to track it down.
I was reading about this this morning and a guy had photos that show the wire burr is always there,
 
I rarely get a wire edge when I sharpen. This used to concern me - I was always thinking I was doing something wrong and failing somewhere along the line. Anymore, I don;t worry about it. Except for my D2 knives, I can get my other knives razor sharp. I can't "pop" hair off of my arm, but each one will shave any spot I choose down to the skin....easily. They'll "push cut" through newspaper and very fine magazine pages. SO I don;t worry about the wire edge any more.

Also, months ago I was reading a thread where someone said they end the sharpening process with lighter and lighter pressured strokes. This might have been you, Leon, I don;t remember. But it made sense to me and so I always try to do that. By the time I'm on my final strokes on the Sharpmaker's white stones, the edge is just barely gliding along the stone. Maybe that's why I don;t get a wire edge, I'm not sure. On D2 however, this doesn;t work for me. I'm still exerting some pressure right down to the last stroke.
 
The wire burr only is a sign that the one side you are working on first has reached the point of thinness where the edge can no longer stay straight, thus it bends.

The need to get the wire burr is that this tells you that the first side is all even, and that you have sharpened that side as far as it can support.
untill you get a good wire burr running all along the one side you just are not going to be totally sure that you have sanded out all the pits that are too small to see or feel.

Once you get the wire on the first side and you are able to feel it running all along the edge, only then should you flip the knife over to begin to sharpen the other edge.

again, once you have sanded this side to the limit it will not be able to support the edge and thats when the edge begins to bend over.
This tells you that now the 2nd side is finished and you can now begin to true up the edge and remove the wire burr.

You have to get rid of the burr or you will have an edge that at first seems scarry sharp, but only to find that after even slight use of the knife the edge is very dull. This is because you had left the burr, (burrs can be scarry sharp) and the burr just flatted out once the knife was used.

In that link you see photos where they show how there is always a burr on a knife no matter what type of sharpener they tested.

What was interesting was that the testing showed that a leather stope needs something on it to do any good at all, and that clean leather was pointless...This I never knew before.
 
I'm tempted to believe that theory, Alan, because it sounds reasonable and logical. But I do have a problem with it:
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You have to get rid of the burr or you will have an edge that at first seems scarry sharp, but only to find that after even slight use of the knife the edge is very dull. This is because you had left the burr, (burrs can be scarry sharp) and the burr just flatted out once the knife was used.

If the wire egde has formed, the edge has been sharpened completely. Your goal now is to remove it by, say.....stropping. BUT, if you leave it on and shave some wood, for example, and the edge that seemed sharp now comes off, the blade is actually dull. Hmmmm. I don;t get this part. This part does not make sense. If you have the wire edge, according to what you posted, the edge beneath is sharp. Yet, if you "leave the wire edge on" and remove it later, the edge is not sharp. This needs clarifying.
 
Also, months ago I was reading a thread where someone said they end the sharpening process with lighter and lighter pressured strokes.

I end any grinding, filing, sanding, sharpening, polishing... etc. process with progressively lighter strokes, that just seems normal to me. My only other "secret" is frequent cleaning.

I utilize the burr but try not to get too big a one, I think that's just wasted energy and steel. I get my finest edges this way but that's just me.

Diff. steels sure do burr (or not) differently... I have a Leatherman folder that's a really great design, but the blade is so soft it just folds over when you put a stone to it :mad: Maybe it was a bad HT batch or something...
 
BUT, if you leave it on and shave some wood, for example, and the edge that seemed sharp now comes off, the blade is actually dull. Hmmmm. I don;t get this part. .
Stretch, please forgive my poor use of text ,I seem to have left out stuff that when I read my post to myself my mind fills in whats left off.


From what I have been reading, it works like this:

You first sharpen only one side of the knife.
You keep sanding until you have that whole first side sanded to the point where the cutting edge is so thin and sharp that it cant stick straight out anymore....thus it bends over to the other side of the knife (this is called the wire burr)

You do the same thing for the 2nd side of the knife, also raiseing a burr to show that this 2nd side is now sharpened as far out to the cutting edge as the steel itself can support.

Now you actually have the knife very sharp at this point, but that darn burr that we were attempting so hard to "get' now has to "get gone'.
The wire burr is a thing thats not connected too well to the rest of the knife edge, so it will flop back and forth under the lightest force on the knife...

The burr is just sticking out there past the edge of the knife and is in the way.

The wire burr "might" be sharp,,,(it could be very sharp,, perhaps, maybe-maybe not, I dont know), but it's so weak and is so likely to flip to one side or the other that you cant use it for cutting.
Just behind the wire burr we got the stronger steel of the trued up knife edge looking to be uncovered, (once we get rid of the darn wire burr thats in the way.)

You get rid of the wire burr with the more traditional manner of sharpening of, stroke-flip-stroke-flip-stroke, etc.,
You use less and less force as you stroke the knife into the stone and you slowly change the angle up so that the last few strokes are whisper light.

When you do it right, you can actually see the wire fall off and you can just clean it off your stone.

At this point, (once burr is removed) the knife is as sharp as that stone can get it,,,,But you can go on and use things like sandpaper or leather strop to get rid of the scratches that are left from the stone.

Now, even the use of just a leather strop will create yet another wire burr, but as seen in the photos in my link, you find that as you work the edge the burr gets smaller and smaller untill it's really not much of a problem.

ON THE OTHER HAND....
If you leave the wire burr on, (thinking that it's so sharp), what happens is that the moment you try to use that wire burr to cut something you will find that it flopped over to one side or the other, and this now means that there is a flat-dull edge where the wire is blocking cutting.
When this happens the wire burr becomes a "bumper" in front of the sharpen knife...Yes your knife is still sharp underneath this "bumper" but until you get rid of that wire burr 'bumper" you are going to think; "Hey why is my knife already so dull?"

This is one of the main reasons guys tell me that they hate their old hunting knives, because to them it seems that no matter how sharp they get the blade it goes dull right away.
But in fact, their knife just has that wire edge still attached to the cutting edge, and thats turning into a bumper that makes the guys think their knife is getting dull after one cut...
 
That was helpful Allan, thanks.

Isn't it impressive how complicated something as simple as sharpening your knife can be?
 
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