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AdvantEDGE

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I am considering buying a Busse It will be my first! I am getting a Busse Combat Basic 5 and I need some information. The information I want is direct feedback from those that use and abuse the Busses they own.

Currently I own a Strider BT, a Strider Model EB-S and a Fallkniven S1

The above blades are ATS-34 and VG-10 steel.

My questions are

1 how does INFI steel compare in re-sharpening, RC hardness, and edge chipping? I have now expereince with INFI if someone could give me a break down of its pluses and minus that would be great.

2 How is the handle material on the Basics? Is it durable? How is the feel?

3 I was a bit worried looking at the thread with the broken Basic 5 picture! I do however really like Mr. Busses reply that he will replace it!!!

Thats why I want to buy this Basic 5

Could you also tell me if $125.00 is a good price? It is brand new

Thanks for your help!
 
AdvantEDGE,
First off, welcome to the Busse Forum and the Wonderful World of Busse ! ;)

To address your questions, somewhat from the end to the beginning. If you got a New Busse Basic 5 for $125 you did very well. The lowest I've seen them is about $145-$155, grab all you can at that price especially since they are now Discontinued.

The Basic that Owen Broke is only the Second Busse knife that I've ever heard of that has been damaged(the first was Cliff Stamps);):D. I don't mean just broke, I mean only the 2nd I've known to ever have ANY damage. Busse Knives are indestructible. Most times, the user will fail before the knife. And no matter what you are covered by the warranty, it is more like a guarantee than a warranty, because no matter what if you are using the knife and it fails, you're covered. Here is a quote from Jerry regarding the warranty

LET’S TALK ABOUT WARRANTIES:

Frankly, makers and manufacturers who maintain the power of final judgment when it comes to warranty decisions and yet continue to claim that they offer a “Lifetime Warranty” confuse me. Where is the anger that should be directed towards these manufacturers and individuals? How can you rely upon a warranty that relies upon the judgment of the person who stands to be put at a financial loss if it is honored? This quite obviously sets the stage for bias from the maker or manufacturer. They reserve the right to say, “Well, you shouldn’t have done that with your knife and therefore you have voided your lifetime warranty.” Why should anyone believe that their knife will stand up to hard use when their warranty will not?

It’s all about TRUST. How can I, as a knifemaker, on one hand say that my knives are designed for the most extreme situations that may present themselves to our customers and then on the other hand cry foul when someone destroys one during use? I try not to judge whether or not a customer’s use of one of our blades is “too abusive”. Who am I to judge? That is why our guarantee has the word “intentional” in it. We allow the customer to make the decision as to whether or not he meant to damage his Busse knife. That’s called TRUST, and that’s what our customers put in us when they buy a Busse knife. We’re not about to betray that trust by allowing “our” judgment to decide whether or not “their” knife should be covered by “our” warranty. . . Lifetime warranties with “Abuse Clauses” are limp-wristed and do nothing more than demonstrate the amount of faith, or lack of faith, that a maker or manufacturer has in their product.

The handle on the basics is Called Respirene C, it is hard to explain, it really doesn't feel like a rubber nor a hard plastic. It is similar to a Hard rubber, but not comparable to other manufacturers rubber handles, it is much better;):D One other thing regarding the handles on the Basics, Busse Combat is the only manufacturer to cover them under their warranty also. So if you accidentally drop it in a fire, you're covered.

Now, onto INFI, pluses and minuses...hmmm...can't think of any minuses...anyone...ok...I need help on the minuses ;):D
Some of the pluses are ease of sharpening, it's incredibly tough, unparalleled edge holding, shock resistant and I'm probably missing a bunch.:) It really is some great stuff

You will love your Basic 5, and don't worry about using it and abusing it. Busse knives will hold up to anything you can throw at them.

Hope this helps.:D
 
That the Basic 5 that broke not only had one (1), but TWO (2) after market Modifications.

The 1st Mod. was the teeth that where added to the blade.

The 2nd Mod. was the choil had been enlarged big time.

Would any one else have covered this under warranty?
probable not.....

Test for test, nothing compairs to INFI, or Busse's Warranty.
 
Thank you guys very much for the info, I thought 125.00 was a great price but I did not know that the Busse Basic 5 is discontinued? Are all the basic models discontinued? I recently checked out the Busse web site. It was very well done. I sort of stumbled onto Busse, in oing some metal/steel research on S30V and CPM 3V I discovered an article on the net about INFI it was not that clear on the steel other than it was new and the greatest. I guess I'll find out more about Busse because I am buying the Basic 5 today!!!


In you opinons is INFI better than VG-10 or BG-42?

How is the edge chip resistance on INFI I have experienced some edge chip on BG-42 knives in the past.
 
For a time, I owned a Chris Reeve Sebenza. Maybe I don't know a good thing when I see one, but I absolutely hated the dumb thing. BG-42 doesn't sharpen easy at all. Plus after limited use on card board, I found that the edge had chips in it. The edge holding of BG-42 may well be great on some materials but for things I use a Knife for, I just doesn't stand up. Had I ever had problems with INFI chipping? No way, it doesn't chip...it won't chip. It will deform some, but that can but fixed with a ceramic. The bottom line is...INFI was designed for knives, not ball bearings like BG-42. I find INFI's edge holding capabilities to be unbeaten. It won't chip and be a pain to sharpen. You've chosen wisely...Luke
 
Lukers real-life observations line up with Cliff's review remarks on INFI.

INFI is a somewhat softer (but very tough) metal matrix holding hard carbides that lends its edge to deformation or rolling rather than suffering catastrophic tearing or chipping of the metal. Like any material though, under sufficient stress it will chip/tear/break. The ductility of the INFI matrix makes it amenable to realigning the edge in the field with a steel, instead of having to remove metal via grinding to reestablish the edge.

And yes, $125 for a new Basic 5 is a very sweet price. :D
 
For all the reasons above, I too like INFI very much. It takes a really great edge easily, and is very tough. Plus, the blade geometry of Busse knives is outstanding for cutting tasks. I don't have any experience with the Basic line, but I would assume that they are up to the usual high Busse standard.
 
Originally posted by AdvantEDGE
1 how does INFI steel compare in re-sharpening, RC hardness, and edge chipping? I have now expereince with INFI if someone could give me a break down of its pluses and minus that would be great.
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INFI should be easier to resharpen (I think), maybe slightly softer, and will resist chipping MUCH better. Its corrosion resistance should be quite comparable to ATS-34. It will also hold a better edge than either of the afore-mentioned steels. The Busse reviews conducted by Cliff are also a great resource; thanks for posting them guys.

Originally posted by AdvantEDGE
3 I was a bit worried looking at the thread with the broken Basic 5 picture! I do however really like Mr. Busses reply that he will replace it!!!
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I'm sure that once you get your Basic 5, you will look at that pic in a whole new light. The "HOW THE HECK DID HE DO THAT?!?!" light :D . Seriously, you have nothing to fear about breaking a Busse; even if you can manage it, you're covered.
 
Welcome to the family.

Some of those other guys were being nice. $125 is WAAAYYYY too much.
If you've already paid for it, fear not, for I will help. Please send the knife to me and I will gladly get you your $125 back...
;) ;) ;) :D ;) ;) ;)

You have done well young Luke. I'm wondering what your second Busse will be....
 
AdventEDGE --- i can't add much to the Grand Advice already given, except: Welcome to Busse-Land! You WON'T be disappointed !!!
$125 for a #5 is TOO SWEET! Well done. Congrats...
You will soon be selling your [others] for more INFI; trust me ;) !!
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