Counterfeit Buck 110???

chickentrax

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...Gentlemen...For your consideration...Two "Buck 110" knives from eBay...Both advertised as well used, sharpened/ground, chipped, dented, and old...

Here they be...

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Now, my question is: Is one or both of them fakes???

(I also have a "Real" Buck 110)

OK...The top one looks real...dot Buck dot dot...So it's a 1980...Steel rockerbar pin; three scale pins, a more squared-off set of bolsters [than late model 110's]...all seem correct for 1980...

Now, the bottom one...Only two scale pins, and the rockerbar pin is brass...Tang stamp is upside down (but we know some were) and has no model #...The rockerbar cutout in the rear bolster is much bigger than the 110's...The scales/liners are much thinner in the middle than a 110...The scallop in the blade is bigger than a 110...

Looking at the rockerbar edge, the whole knife is fatter in the center than the ends [bolsters]...The 110 is same width full length...The rockerbar itself looks funny; varying thickness from end to end...

I'm not out any big bucks on either of these; I plan on stripping one for parts and the other for an experiment...

So...Do I have a counterfeit? Or are they both Bucks? Did I get one of the Chinese made Buck 110's???

As always, your comments are invited... :D
 
Both of them appear genuine to me. Chickentrax, if you will send me a SASE, I will send you a run-down of the 110 types as they were improved. I think you will find it to be a great help. In fact, if you send a 4" x 6" or larger envelope with about $2 of postage, I will send you a ton of good stuff to go over. Just put a copy of this or a note of some sort inside to remind me of what I am to send. Email me for a snail mail address or check the Buck Knives website under the BCCI annual knife.
Best regards,
Larry
 
Hi, yes there are fake buck knives but this does not seem to be one opf them..
the lower knife is made after 1967. and is a typical early buck folding hunter normanly called a 2 liner- inverted as it reads with the point down and has the stright back side. as 110 were hand finished there were some with wider scales the others. i am not sure of the spring back being uneven.
the 3 liner (with the addation of the 110 number) started in 1971 and read point up. so your lower knife is likely made in 68 or 69 which, with the exception of nam, were both good years.

as you can see the folding hunter has became more curved over the years to fit the hand. there have been diffrent modles of the frame an scale material made over the years as "let's see what this looks like. many of these rare expermental's are in the hands of a few collectors and normanly will not be seen for sale. as you noted there were other changes such as the washer and bushing to improve quality of balde action as also other changes to prevent converson to a gravity knife like the lower one can be. Buck was brought in to court were one had been made to act that way and after that made changes to prevent that again and these started the dot dateing.

earlyer hunters had only buck on the balde and the first year many only had buck stamped or etched on the other side in a horz. position. these are very rare.
this knife is collectable and is worth saveing.
give you 10 bucks for it... ;) ? :eek:
 
The bottom one doesn't have a choil or a kick...Is that typical for the 2 liner??? :confused:

Or did it get ground off???

My new Buck 110 has a nice hollow-ground blade [I think that's what it is called] with crisp straight edges [where the hollow-grind meets the blade top]; the bottom one (both of them, actually) are rounded, smoothed...maybe a crude polishing job??? Buck didn't make them that way, did they??? :eek:
 
I think if you listed the bottom knife on ebay with a proper description as to being an early Buck 110, you might be surprised how much it will bring. Definitely not a candidate for stripping for parts.
 
334dave said:
...i am not sure of the spring back being uneven...and has the stright back side...as also other changes to prevent converson to a gravity knife like the lower one can be...
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It does have a much straighter back...I didn't even notice that...but the straight part of the blade doesn't line up with it very well...

Funny you should mention the Gravity Knife info...If I depress the lock with my thumb, the blade can and sometimes does retract right back up into my finger...luckily, it's dull... :D

Here's a scan of the backspring/rockerbar...

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Kinda hard to see...but about the first 1 3/4" of the bar/spring is narrower than the rest...maybe just the brass on the one bolster being "curled over" the bar a bit???

Here's another scan...you can see the bulge of the 2 liner vs the new 110...(and the squared-off bolsters, too)...

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You can also see about 40 years of dirt... :rolleyes:
 
Are both of those 440C?

And Larry, I'd love to have a rundown of the 110s as they evolved. That's one thing that I think the Buck website is lacking. They have the blade stamp dates on there, but the early years are missing.
 
Chickentrax,
I have an early Buck just like the,ower one and yours is identical to it. It appears to be in pretty good condition for its age too. As Larry mentioned if you placed it up for auction on Ebay you would be surprised at the price it would command. Grat find! Clean it up and you've got a great EDC. Also, it IS 440C steel. :)
 
Well, let's go a bit further...What should the matching sheath look like???

It came with a [worn] black leather sheath, letters "BUCK" 1/4" high, low on top flap; silver snap w "BUCK"; verticle belt loop; number "110" on *top* of sheath back...The two reinforcing rivets at the top of the side stitching are plain steel and somewhat rusty...
 
It is quite possible that it is the original sheath. The belt loops on the sheaths from the 70's were considerably larger that the loops on the newer sheaths. If you can see the loop you'll see what I mean. I carried an original 112 on my police gun belt. That's how large the older loops were.
Mike
 
Mike Kerins said:
The belt loops on the sheaths from the 70's were considerably larger that the loops on the newer sheaths.
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You are right! Thanks, Mike! :D

I can get all 4 fingers of my hand into this loop...I can only get 3 fingers into a new sheath loop...

Well, I seem to have a matched set... ;)
 
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