Couple New Ones...

IVANKERLEY

IVANKERLEY

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Hey all, thought id share a couple of my new finds,
The first a single blade #23 cigar jack, with ivory colored scales, really cool pin stripe pattern. Blade looks almost full, walks and talks. Love this knife
Anybody have any idea how old it might be, or any info on this big ol' pattern!
The second is a 4 blade aluminum scaled army knife(best guess!) in really nice shape despite being a ground score and forgotten in a tool box. Ive got a stupid question, how accurate were the date stamps on these? Any info history!

Any way just thought id share,see what you all thought. ive got a 4 line 2 blade jack coming too, hopefully get picts of that up soon
thanks!
ivan
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Nice..... I want to pick up a couple of the military utility knives, but have two many irons in the fire at the moment.
 
The dates on the 1760's are pretty accurate. They may have been made as late as early 1982 just to use up the blades but stamps were changed yearly.
 
RickR said:
The dates on the 1760's are pretty accurate. They may have been made as late as early 1982 just to use up the blades but stamps were changed yearly.
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I was a little shocked at what these were going for on ebay:eek:, i got mine from my dad, cant beat free. They are good solid knives, no frills very utilitarian, so the price ranges were shocking, i guess they are pretty collectible
ivan
 
Mountainwind said:
Nice..... I want to pick up a couple of the military utility knives, but have two many irons in the fire at the moment.
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The army knife was pure luck, my dad doesnt even know how he ended up with it... doesnt use it or want it so it comes my way:D
I feel your pain just spent 700 and some change getting my POS car fixed
So these 2 will have to hold me over for awhile.
ivan
 
the 23 pattern, is nice but it has been worked on, it is supposed to be a two blade knife, you can see the nicks on the bolsters, where it was peened after the second blade was removed
 
The twenty three from an old catalog illustration.

My own specimen is a three line, dead mint. Also has two blades. It is an impressive knife. I've got a fine condition old factory half dozen box to display along with it. I like finding the little extras that make collecting fun for me.

The MIL-K knives date from WW2. Camco should be along sometime, and he can offer you lots of information on them.

Phil

Ivan, you didn't happen to buy that knife from a certain scripture quoting- bible thumping ebayer did ya?

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GreatScout said:
The twenty three from an old catalog illustration.

My own specimen is a three line, dead mint. Also has two blades. It is an impressive knife. I've got a fine condition old factory half dozen box to display along with it. I like finding the little extras that make collecting fun for me.

The MIL-K knives date from WW2. Camco should be along sometime, and he can offer you lots of information on them.

Phil

Ivan, you didn't happen to buy that knife from a certain scripture quoting- bible thumping ebayer did ya?

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Great scout thank you!
yes i did is he one of the usual suspects :cool: its a solid knife, walks and talks and it came pretty damn sharp, its got some dings in the scales and its not perfect but ive been carrying it since i got it, think i did all right for the price, i havent seen another single blade most ive seen have two
Thanks for the illus! Do you know if the Pyroxylin scales are celluloid?
PYRO=fire xylin=Fancy Plastic name :D
ivan
 
schattdaddy said:
the 23 pattern, is nice but it has been worked on, it is supposed to be a two blade knife, you can see the nicks on the bolsters, where it was peened after the second blade was removed
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If they did remove a blade they knew what the hell they were doing, as the knife walks and talks and has the half stop:D So am i to understand there was no single blade produced? As far as the marks on the bolsters i cant see the pin at all. The knife has minor issues none of which are mechanical, dunno can anybody tell me, seems like a major rework to remove a blade and backspring then reassemble the knife and then have it work properly??? Definitely not something a regular joe with hand tools could accomplish
Thanks for looking schatt
ivan

check this out: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=490711&highlight=cigar
 
It is quite possible that the knife was made just as it exists. I am reminded of a letter in Tom's posession on the subject of tangstamps. The author laments the fixation of collectors upon tangstamps in trying to closely date Camillus knives. It states that very often old blades were carted out of storage and finished many years after new tangstamps had been introduced. According to the letter, Tom and others, Camillus seldom threw anything away.

It is pure speculation, but it is possible that the old #23 master blades left over from two blade jacks were mounted in single blade configuration on this knife for sale as an "ad specialty". These are often seen with florist's slogans, insurance agencies, auto dealers and such hot stamped on the covers. Light stampings wear off sometimes as do pad and screen printings, even cheaper methods of customizing covers for special orders. Look for "event enhancement" and "ad specialty" knives to see if you see other blades used like this.

Codger

PS- Yes, I think that was one of the many creative names used to denote celluloid.
 
thanks for the perspective... heres to hoping i dont own a brett special or the likes :D no matter i love the thing and its been my everyday since i got it, im just not convinced its been monkeyed with.
ivan
 
Even Bretted knives have their own value, mostly as curio users. He has seriously fooked some nice rare knives and faked some too. If he were honest, he would add a "B" or "F" below his many stampings. Or he would at least advise prospective buyers that he has seriously altered the knives. That is where I have problems with him and others of his ilk. When the knife belongs to you, you can do with it what you will. When you sell it to another and willfully misrepresent what it is (through omission or comission), that is a horse of a different dark color.

The letter I mentioned above was written to Tom by a long time company principal, not a collector or "expert", therefore it is a primary source. Perhaps he can post some of the actual text. If not, I'll see if I can find my copy.

I have no reason to doubt your assessment of the originality of your knife. Even Brett leaves telltale signs of his handiwork. And it is not often that he expends time and energy welding new blades on old tangs and such when his probability of large profits are small. While this pattern is nice, even a perfect example with original packaging would hardly bring a selling price comparable to a faked Holly or Nap.

Codger
 
thank you, i actually have read that post from tom, i did alot of reading on the camillus board before i even posted my first topic, lurking about...
I got this knife for the princely sum of $12.51, so im not exactly a high roller here, but my dollar is the same as anybody's and i agree getting sold a fake sucks especially if it was deliberately misleading, which the B-man is guilty of. Now can anybody tell me if the Holy-roller scripture quoting ebayer i got this from is one of the usual suspects for effing up knives. He was pleasant enough to deal with, smooth transaction, knife as described and shipped fairly quick.
ivan
 
Overlooking his penchant for using his auction listings to preach, I am not aware of anything bad about his rep. I can't recall for sure but I may have bought from him in the past myself. I am by no means a deep pocket highroller don't buy collections, and have never been a seller, so I am definately not into knives for the money. In fact, my money only goes one way on knives so far... out! :o Ask my wife. She'll tell you how much I need another knife!

Codger

PS- the "french ivory" pattern of cell was a very popular type used on ad specialty knives. That is a collector's term for the cell type and I have no idea if a manufacturer ever used it.
 
ya know i like the scales i bet they were quite striking when they were new, a bit flamboyant for a big ole blade, they have a subtle pin stripe pattern... my vintage pimp knife :D
anybody hazard a guess as to age of my 23?
ivan
 
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