Cpm D2

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Yes, CPM D2
I was fortunate to obtain a piece of CPM D2 recently and on another thread on this forum promised to report on first impressions. Crucible recently made a test heat on this steel to see how it would work out. Here is what I have found so far: This steel does have close to the same chemistry as convential D2 according to Crucible (Scott Devana) but is made with the CPM process. In general the CPM process should yield better properties, increased toughness in all directions, better corrosion resistance and allow for better heat treat response. This proved to be true for CPM 154 compared to the 154CM grade ( IMHO). I made a 4.5 inch drop pt hunter for the first test. Thickness at the spine is 0.135 and width is 1.1 inch at the widest part. It is finish flat ground from the spine to an edge thickness of 0.10. Heat treat was as follows: Coat with Turco, preheat to 1500, ramp to 1940 and hold half hour. Quench in front of a fan to room temp and then direct into LN2. Hold 2 hours and triple temper at 400. As quenched hardness was 64 and I did not detect any increase out of the LN2. Final tempered hardness is 62. Normal high temperature for D2 would be 1850 to 1875 but I have found that the CPM steels seem to benefit from a higher temperature so I went higher on the first test piece. RC 62 is also pushing the high end of hardness on convential D2 and a thin blade would tend to be a little “chippy” at the hardness in my experience. I sharpened the blade at 15 degree angle with a silicon carbide fine stone and stropped on loaded leather. So far I have not cut rope with it but as you would expect it will cut cardboard with ease for a very long time. I whittled some pine and twisted the blade out of the cut and there was no chipping from that. I did not chop with it. My conclusions so far are that it seems to be tough enough for a slicing type blade at high hardness. Edge holding I think will prove to be very good, as good or better than convential D2 and it has very nice finish qualities. It grinds and finishes like CPM 154, no surprise there. These are general observations and more work needs to be done. It will also be good to hear from others who try this one out. But so far it looks good. Phil
 
Thanks for the writeup, Mr. Wilson!

When you say CPM D2 finishes like CPM154, does that mean it can finally take a mirror-finish on more than just the edge without putting the maker or polisher in the funny farm?
 
Thom, I did a fine belt finish 600 grit on this blade. I think it will polish on a buffer nice. It has the potential for a very fine edge as well. You can't see any grain in it, just very fine dots like all the other CPM steels.

Phil
 
Considering that D2's main advantage over 154CM would be the large carbide fraction, I would be curious of the lower temperature to keep more of the carbide in solution. This might also raise the hardness as the retained austenite should be lower. I would be interested in a 350 F temper as well. This might result in a 63/65 HRC blade which should have significantly higher wear resistance, though you would expect a lot lower corrosion resistance than 154CM. Though this is a strange venture for Crucible given their very strong stand against chromium for carbides in the past which was on the basis of vanadium giving a similar wear resistance at a lower volume and thus higher toughness.

-Cliff
 
Thanks for the write-up, Phil. Looking forward to anything else you find as you use it.
 
I'll be all ears! Interested to see how you like this in a couple of months!
 
Hi Phil,

When we tested 154Cm as compared to the CPM-154, we found a significant increase in edge retention from the powdered product over the ingot product. This was on CATRA. We didn't do any corrosion resistance testing.

We should probably do some runs with both steels (154 & D2) comparing the CPM product in Q-Fog.

sal
 
Sal were both 154's after the same heat treatment/HRC? How many runs do you do on each blade on the CATRA?

-Cliff
 
Hi Cliff,

No, not at the same time. The earlier tests with 154 were done some time ago. The 154 tests were done when Crucible sent us some to test.

I'll try to be more "scientific" in testing the D2.

sal
 
Cliff, I will continue to work up a heat treat for the new D2 and will next try a high temp closer to the std for D2. Crucible's data so far on toughness is in fact based on 1850-1875 and RC 59. The additional carbide would be chrome carbide so maybe the difference would not be that noticealbe. As for RA, the fact that I did not see any measurable hardness change from as quenched to post subzero leads me to reason that there was not much there. If any remained then the sub zero should resovlve most of it. . I like at least 400 for a temper, so there is some significant stress relief. This is all based on the results of one heat treat and one blade so I would like to wait and hear from others who are giving this one a try as well. Phil
 
Sal, Thanks for the info. Based on one test blade only it looks like the powder D2 is going to follow the same pattern as the CPM154/154CM for wear resistance. Phil
 
I'm not as smart as you guys on the HT and steel stuff, but I do find it interesting to read. I've got a knife (Stubby Razel) on order from the Graham Brothers in the CPM 154. I'm looking forward to trying it.

I've found D2 to be a satisfying steel...a CPM D2 sounds verrrrrry interesting.

Thanks Phil for the post.
:)
 
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