Thanks for the comments guys. Keith, I think that CPM M4 has its place in knifemaking, but it will be a steel that is used on specialty knives or knives that will get a lot of use by people that don't mind spending the time to maintain and sharpen one correctly. For a practical using knife, which we mostly like to make, I still like BG42 and CPM S30V. They both are stain resistant, look good with the type finish we like, and can be sharpened without much trouble by a customer. Stain resistance has become more important to me since we began receiving knives back for sharpening. Some people don't maintain knives at all. They just seem to shove them back in the sheath with all the blood, hair, fat and fish scales still on them. CPM M4 won't like that kind of treatment and I don't want to have to polish out pits on that stuff at all.