CPM-M4 v's SuperBlue v's M390 Taste test.

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Some people do not like the metallic taste that "carbon" steels can impart to food items during cutting.

In the name of science, I have sacrificed my daughter as a test subject. She did not know the purpose of the test and was blinded to apple type and knives used:

Materials and Methods: Two apple types (Granny Smith and "Explorer", I think). Two carbon/non-stainless steel blades (CPM-M4 and SuperBlue) and a stainless blade as a control (M390)

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All blades were cleaned of anticorrosive coating (Fluid film) using white spirit and then washed and dried.

Precautions were taken to avoid cross-contamination of blades and slices. Same sector of apples used to reduce variability of fruit skewing results. Slices were of similar size and thickness. Each test was repeated to assess intra-observer reliability. Order in which samples were tasted was changed to reduce "first-taste" bias.

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Results:

The outcome was surprising. On each occasion, regardless of apple type, the subject reported a preference for the slices cut with the Superblue steel. There was no repeatable difference reported between CPM-M4 and M390 (Though a Type II error is possible due to small sample size; no β calculation was performed prior to the study.)

The subject did not report any "metallic taste" at any stage.

The test was repeated but leaving the slices in contract with the blade surface for much longer than would normally occur. The results were the same.

I also tasted slices (un-blinded) and could definitely taste the difference, with Superblue being most metallic, though only really intrusive when the side of the slice which had been in contact with the blade was placed onto the tongue. I struggled to distinguish a difference between M4 and M390

Conclusion:

Possible conclusions:

1. My daughter has a poor sense of taste, or likes the taste of SuperBlue on apple.

2. The metallic taste is only consciously appreciated when the subject is expecting it (unlikely.)

3. The study design is crap.

I suspect 3 is the most likely to be correct, but it kept me out of trouble for a short while.
 
Thank you for this important advancement of the metallurgical and biological sciences. This truly is the golden age of discovery.
 
I love your posts. :D Love the pix, too. :thumbup:

I would agree that 3 is overwhelmingly likely, but 2 would soak up any remaining probabilities. Fourth possibility: there is no effect at all? :)
 
I wonder if there is more metallic taste if you use a fresh carbon steel blade rather than a patinaed one.
 
Hahaha, 'test subject', good one :thumbup:

There is nothing like first hand experience! Well done.

Few days ago I took my recently purchased EDC in O1 to the kitchen, it reacted very quickly to cutting onion, I could smell the reaction and patina formed on the blade immediately, funny though it's rust coloured. And it was leaving dark stains on the onion as well. It didn't react anything as strong to sauerkraut I cut next, maybe the onion patina was already protecting the blade. It all went into a stew so no metallic taste was detectable after cooking.

Some time ago did similar thing with an Opinel, cut up some fruit and it was the same - a bit of smell and metallic taste, I put the sucker in balsamic vinegar, it turned black and stopped leaving metallic taste.:D
 
(Though a Type II error is possible due to small sample size; no β calculation was performed prior to the study.) [/QUOTE said:
Lol. You just made my day. Nothing like real statistics, or the knowledge of statistics, in even the most (admittedly) dubious experiments
 
Clearly this "test" is bunk, your sample size...

LOL, that was a great post. Thanks
 
Thank you for this important advancement of the metallurgical and biological sciences. This truly is the golden age of discovery.

No, P.N., it is the "Golden Delicious" age of discovery.

Great post, Dr. X. Not every test has to be a discussion of the molecular properties of metal and their relative merits. Plus, a cut kids helps.
 
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