been thinkin bout a new work knife. i have a CRKT M-16/alum hndls, but it's kinda big for just cutting tape to open boxes. i'd like a smaller knife like the M-16 (little one, whatever the # is?), or the 7B. the m-16 (small) is bout half the price pf the 7B. the big M-16 is rock solid w/ the alum handles, and i mean ROCK solid. anyone have both, and an opinion?? course i'd have the 7B w/wave, like my Commander. i'm just not sure bout f-in' up a fine knife like the 7. soo--let's hear it. thx for any ops/advice/experience, everyone.
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Cqc7b/m16
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Hey Jack,
If you are just goign to get a knife for cutting up boxes and beating around the M-16 sounds like a good choice. No sense in buying an expensive knife to use as a beater, I've handled both, and for the price, the M-16 is not a bad knife. However, if you are looking for a cheapie, I'd pick up a Spyderco. Personally I wouldn't be caught dead with a CRKT knife, but thats just my opinion.
-Chris
If you are just goign to get a knife for cutting up boxes and beating around the M-16 sounds like a good choice. No sense in buying an expensive knife to use as a beater, I've handled both, and for the price, the M-16 is not a bad knife. However, if you are looking for a cheapie, I'd pick up a Spyderco. Personally I wouldn't be caught dead with a CRKT knife, but thats just my opinion.
-Chris
I just bought a medium sized m16 for a friend of mine. I agree, a pretty nice knife for the money. When I got it, it was a bit loose, so I tightened it up until the blade was snug with no wobble. Kudos for another maker who thinks their blades should be user maintainable.
It locks up solid every time, and the flipper thingie is pretty neat. However, the blade washer on the one side is quite a bit smaller than on the other side, and even when snug, the blade joint still has some flex to it. The knife passes a spine rap test just fine. I guess what I am saying is that the knife doesn't feel as...substantial as the 7b.
If I were going to buy a utility/beater knife as a second blade for mixed company, I would try to find something a bit less "tactical" looking than the m16 though. A small colourful spydie sounds good, or one of those yuppie swirly-coloured kershaw Ken Onion knives.
Clinton
It locks up solid every time, and the flipper thingie is pretty neat. However, the blade washer on the one side is quite a bit smaller than on the other side, and even when snug, the blade joint still has some flex to it. The knife passes a spine rap test just fine. I guess what I am saying is that the knife doesn't feel as...substantial as the 7b.
If I were going to buy a utility/beater knife as a second blade for mixed company, I would try to find something a bit less "tactical" looking than the m16 though. A small colourful spydie sounds good, or one of those yuppie swirly-coloured kershaw Ken Onion knives.
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Hi RekatJack, both the CQC-7 and the M-16 are fine knives either way. If your looking for the smaller version M16-02 or the M16-12 (serrated), it's smaller than the CQC-7. Also, the CQC-7B fits the hand better and has a higher grade of steel, but the M16 is certainly usable. If you get the Emerson, don't be afraid to use it. Get your money's worth and you won't be dissapointed.
Heya,
I bought a Mini-7b to replace my M16-02z -- I have small hands.
The build of the Mini-7b is great; however, I'd suggest you try out the chisel edge for cutting boxes before you get one.
Why? It cuts funny. In fact, it doesn't cut very smoothly at all. First, it has a tendency to veer off to the side because of the asymmetrical nature. Second, it feels like because of the way the force is applied, you get some tearing/shearing of the material you're cutting, especially if it's thicker.
I've had this experience cutting up boxes, and it's, honestly, a pain. Cutting tape is no problem since tape is so thin, you don't get any drag along the edge.
It also makes opening mail envelopes REALLY hard.
Finally, you might not want to subject the Black-T (Teflon) finish to boxes/tape for utility tasks, as there have been many reports that the finish comes off easily. Mine is rubbing off in very light wear.
A satin finish is probably better; I've found the boron carbide (BC1 for you Benchmade fans) coating to be really durable.
Then again, the chisel ground edge does a number on raw meat (uncooked flank steak, tri-tip... although a 2.9" blade isn't exactly convenient for cutting up dinner... it was for SCIENTIFIC PURPOSES.)
I ended up replacing the Mini-7b for box-cutting and mail-opening chores with another knife, but I do carry her when I go walking about.
Just my opinion/experience,
-Jon
I bought a Mini-7b to replace my M16-02z -- I have small hands.
The build of the Mini-7b is great; however, I'd suggest you try out the chisel edge for cutting boxes before you get one.
Why? It cuts funny. In fact, it doesn't cut very smoothly at all. First, it has a tendency to veer off to the side because of the asymmetrical nature. Second, it feels like because of the way the force is applied, you get some tearing/shearing of the material you're cutting, especially if it's thicker.
I've had this experience cutting up boxes, and it's, honestly, a pain. Cutting tape is no problem since tape is so thin, you don't get any drag along the edge.
It also makes opening mail envelopes REALLY hard.
Finally, you might not want to subject the Black-T (Teflon) finish to boxes/tape for utility tasks, as there have been many reports that the finish comes off easily. Mine is rubbing off in very light wear.
A satin finish is probably better; I've found the boron carbide (BC1 for you Benchmade fans) coating to be really durable.
Then again, the chisel ground edge does a number on raw meat (uncooked flank steak, tri-tip... although a 2.9" blade isn't exactly convenient for cutting up dinner... it was for SCIENTIFIC PURPOSES.)
I ended up replacing the Mini-7b for box-cutting and mail-opening chores with another knife, but I do carry her when I go walking about.
Just my opinion/experience,
-Jon
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The M16 is a very good knife for the price. The tantos are all chisel ground, but the spearpoints are not. IMHO, this is the best knife CRKT has ever put out. I have owned the M16-04, M16-14, and M16-13z. All were great knives with no problems.
Chris, did you ever handle my M16-14 while we were at CSU Fresno (I can't remember... too much beer)? I sold it to a LEO who is also Navy reserve for a Specwar unit. He loved it and carried it every day.
Personally, I like the CQC7b better. For one it is tip up carry. I have the waved version and a wave beats the **** out of the flipper any day.
Either way, you'll have a good knife.
Chris, did you ever handle my M16-14 while we were at CSU Fresno (I can't remember... too much beer)? I sold it to a LEO who is also Navy reserve for a Specwar unit. He loved it and carried it every day.
Personally, I like the CQC7b better. For one it is tip up carry. I have the waved version and a wave beats the **** out of the flipper any day.
The chisel grind is designed for this. If you see a Japanese sushi knife, you'll notice that they are also chisel ground. The chisel grind is an excellent choice for a defensive blade because it cuts flesh so well, it also creates a wound channel that won't close meaning more bleeding.
Either way, you'll have a good knife.
solid_soldier,
Interesting. I actually remember now.
I have one of the earlier M16 tanto's -- it's got a traditional, two-sided grind on it. (It's about 2 years old.)
When I bought one for my brother, his was chisel-ground. It doesn't have nearly the same veering off as the CQC7.
What confuses me is that there's two issues here: first is the blade cross-section, and the other is the actual edge grind. I don't know what you call either one!!
The CQC7 cross-section only has a taper on one side, AND it has a chisel grind at the edge.
The M16 tanto is hollow-ground on both sides, BUT it has a chisel grind at the edge.
I had completely forgotten that CRKT switched to the chisel at the edge for their tanto.
Heh...ok, anyhow, enough rambling.
-Jon
Interesting. I actually remember now.
I have one of the earlier M16 tanto's -- it's got a traditional, two-sided grind on it. (It's about 2 years old.)
When I bought one for my brother, his was chisel-ground. It doesn't have nearly the same veering off as the CQC7.
What confuses me is that there's two issues here: first is the blade cross-section, and the other is the actual edge grind. I don't know what you call either one!!
The CQC7 cross-section only has a taper on one side, AND it has a chisel grind at the edge.
The M16 tanto is hollow-ground on both sides, BUT it has a chisel grind at the edge.
I had completely forgotten that CRKT switched to the chisel at the edge for their tanto.
Heh...ok, anyhow, enough rambling.
-Jon