Credit-Card-Sized Shotgun

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Gun Shop Debuts Credit-Card-Sized Shotgun

POSTED: 6:57 am EDT October 6, 2004

MINNEAPOLIS -- In a new twist on the idea of concealed weapons, a local gun maker and gun shop are debuting a new type of firearm: one that could almost fit in your wallet.

A new twist on the idea of concealable weapons, the credit card-sized shotgun, is shown at Koscielski's Guns and Ammo, the only gun shop in Minneapolis.

It's a two-shot weapon made from a piece of metal the height and width of a standard credit card, and about a half-inch thick. Each barrel fires seven standard steel BBs. It will retail for $100.

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"This I can see being the ultimate self-defense weapon," said Mark Koscielski, owner of Koscielski's Guns and Ammo, the only gun shop in Minneapolis.

Koscielski and Patrick Teel, who makes the guns in suburban Blaine at his company AFT Incorporated, gave The Associated Press a preview on Tuesday, a day before they planned to officially unveil the device.

They said the guns are meant to be used for close-range self-defense and wouldn't be effective as offensive weapons.

"They are very effective at five to 10 feet. They're absolutely useless at 20 feet," Teel said.

The credit card-sized shotgun is a muzzleloader, meaning it doesn't use shotgun shells. The user has to measure out some gunpowder, pour it in each barrel, drop seven BBs in each barrel, and tamp in a small wad of paper. A knob on one end serves as a safety, and two buttons set into a hole in the body are the electrical triggers. Each barrel fires with a loud pop.

Teel said the main value of the new gun is that it gives the owner a chance to get away from an attacker.

"This is no more deadly than a .22," Teel said. "But the difference is you have multiple wounds, which means you'll try to get away quicker, and it will cause more pain. ... There will be more blood, which the cops will be able to see."

The new guns don't count as firearms under federal regulations because they're muzzleloaders, Koscielski and Teel said. It's illegal to carry one without a permit for a concealed handgun, they said, and they both pledged not to sell them to anyone without valid identification and either a carry permit or a purchase permit.

Thirty-seven states have laws that require officials to issue concealed carry permits to qualified applicants and nine others have laws that give officials some discretion over whether someone gets a permit. Only Kansas, Illinois, Nebraska and Wisconsin lack a law allowing some form of concealed carrying of guns.

Koscielski was widely credited with coining the term "Murderapolis" when the city's homicide rate shot up in the 1990s. He's run unsuccessfully for mayor, fought zoning battles to stay in business and been investigated by federal agents.

Koscielski conceded that gun opponents are likely to criticize the new devices. But he said they're legal, will set off metal detectors and are readily identifiable.

"We all have a right to defend ourselves," he said.

At least one gun salesman was skeptical of the weapon's self-defense value. Mike O'Brien, a gun salesman at Joe's Sporting Goods in St. Paul, wasn't familiar with the new devices, but said muzzleloading is a "slow and tedious" process.

"Us guys here would consider something like that useless," said O'Brien. "A .177 caliber BB is ballistically a joke, OK? I'm sure it could cause injury and damage, but as a self-defense weapon, no. Not to anyone familiar with firearms."

Guns that small have been around in various styles for a long time, and some have become curiosities and collectors items, but have failed as weapons, said O'Brien.

"It might do damage to eyes, that sort of thing. But serious damage to a 200-pound drug-crazed evildoer, no -- it'd just make them mad," he said.

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I'd rather carry a two barrel derringer. I'd much rather carry a three foot walking stick.
 
"Whats in YOUR wallet"
Intorducing the AFT Express Shotgun Card.........don't leave home with out it
 
"Whats in YOUR wallet"

It is far better to carry something that is more accessible, reliable, and effective. The only thing this pea shooter is going to do is get some hurt as they fumble for it, or when it accidentally goes off in their pocket. This is junk for the overgrown teenage mallninja. As a friend used to say to me; this is one device that is guaranteed to turn the average user into a statistic.

n2s
 
Seems all it would do, if you were able to get it out aimed and fired, is piss off an attacker even more. I doubt it would really have enough power to do any real damage, even at close range
 
This reminds me - have any of you ever seen a .22 zipgum made out of a pen? Is there a commercial version that won't blow up or go off in your pocket? Not necessarily looking like a pen, mind you, just a simple 1 shot tube that can be clipped to a pocket?
 
There are several commercial pen guns. All are bigger diameter than a normal pen since that is about the diameter of a .22LR. or .25ACP.

American Derringer made one that you fold into an L shape to cock, then pull the pop out trigger to fire. It's considered a pistol, so no special regulations beyond those for any other pistol. I have one of these and it's an OK toy.

Quicksilver Manufacturing made some nice pen guns. These are NFA items so you need BATF approval to own them. They don't look much like pens since they have a knurled cocking knob on the end. I have two. They are also just toys/gadgets.
 
Good Evening All-


This new credit card gun is an answer seeking a problem! If someone already possesses a CCW permit, why would they opt for this pea-shooter over a traditional sidearm? It ain't that convenient...

~ Blue Jays ~
 
I dont get it...sorry. First off you gotta play by the rules, right? If you are lucky and can get a CCW(Concealed weapons permit,CCW in California) you have to go through many hoops not including the three firearms allowed to carry on your permit.Now,You MUST qualify on this weapon at the range and for alot of people this isnt easy.Alot of people dont carry snubbys cuz they cant hit the side of a barn with it and couldnt pass quals to get it on their CCW.Then they do a trigger test here in Cali....gotta be over four pounds break or no joy.They actually took all three of my guns and trigger tested them at the range during quals as I watched, biting my fingernails that my Gunny had been balls on....

that all being said..who is gonna qual with that thing? I have never seen anything smaller then a S&W 2 inch snubby passing.I put huge hogue grips on my S&W 442 Centennial to avoid not doing well since I never shoot the thing prefering my list of 1911's in .45 and a delta elite in 10m(that is one mean muther of a round,btw...killed a charging 185 pound boar with it,may have saved my life as it had three inch tusks and was a bit miffed at us)
Why risk getting busted for carrying such a thing when carrying something a tad bigger,safer,better could very well save your life?Believe me,If you dont have a permit to carry and you do carry and then for some unforeseen reason must use that weapon to protect the life of yourself or others...they may just determine your rights by the gun you carry....along with all the other parameters.
 
This was posted on one of the "other" forums as well, and I commented that it would be an item for the "officer safety" bulletin board.

There might be someone actually willing to purchase and carry such a thing...

Somewhere.
 
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