"Crime Plunges in Pro-Gun Town"

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Folks, following Yvsa's post, I feel compelled to add one (shorter) about the town of Kennesaw Georgia where the citizenry are required to "maintain a firearm."

"NewsMax.com Wires
Wednesday, March 28, 2001

Kennesaw, Ga., a northern suburb of Atlanta, passed an ordinance requiring heads of households "to maintain a firearm" and ammunition "to provide for the civil defense" and "protect the general welfare of the City and its inhabitants."

Kennesaw's law provides so many loopholes that, in effect, no one is compelled to obey it. Convicted felons are, of course, excluded. Also exempt are those "who suffer a physical disability [undefined] which would prohibit them from using such a firearm" and those who "conscientiously oppose firearms as a result of religious doctrine or belief [also undefined]." Inhabitants may claim exemptions for moral or financial reasons, said Detective Cpl. Craig Graydon, a Kennesaw Police Department spokesman, in a phone interview Tuesday.

According to a National Rifle Association document, the law was not expected to increase gun ownership. "It was expected that publicity surrounding the ordinance would warn criminals that residents were capable of protecting themselves and their community and would do so with the government's blessing," the document said.

The results?

Kennesaw's crime rate plummeted. In fact, the number of some crimes declined amid soaring population growth. For example, in figures the city provided to the FBI Uniform Crime Report, Kennesaw had 54 burglaries in 1981 – the year before the gun ordinance – with a population of 5,242. In 1999, with a population of 19,000, only 36 burglaries were reported.

The rate of violent crime is approximately four times lower than the state and national rates, Kennesaw's Crime Statistics Report said. "Violent crime is almost nonexistent in residential neighborhoods," Graydon told UPI. The detective, who has been with the police department since 1986, said the isolated exceptions take place in motels or in commercial areas.

Graydon said he has lived in the area since 1979 and has heard no open opposition to the gun law. This remains the case even though most of Kennesaw's newcomers are from northern states.

Asked whether the ordinance has attracted new people to Kennesaw, Graydon said: "Not specifically the law itself, but quite a few people cite the low crime rate, which a lot of people do attribute, at least in part, to the gun law."

The detective said Kennesaw used state criteria for carrying a concealed handgun. "It's not that difficult" to get the license, he said. Unlike some other jurisdictions, Georgia does not require permit holders to submit the serial numbers of their handguns to the police. "We don't register firearms down here," Graydon said, "Only the person is registered for concealed carry."

Copyright 2001 by United Press International. All rights reserved.

Now we just need to get a few HI Khuks into Kennesaw, then "swishhhhhhhhhh" could be the last sound a burglar might hear.

Bill Marsh
 
That's the place I talk about all the time and can't remember the name of the town. Now I know and many thanks.
 
Agreed. The threat of the firearm, whatever make model or caliber, is a deterrent, especially when advertised at that level.

Few burglars are murderers, and they don't want killed, they just want stuff. If that stuff has a gunner backing it, they don't feel it's worth their ass to go for it.

As for high school shootings--maybe arm all students? At least with tazers? Bet there'd be less violence in schools if a kid drew on another, jsut from the fact that he'd know drawing would be received by everyone drawing on him! (I say all of this with tongue planted firmly in cheek, but hey, who knows?)

Musings on Firearms,

Keith
En Ferro Veritas
 
There's a local gunsmith's shop/gunshop out by me and the guy has a sign on the door that says "WARNING: nothing in here is worth dying for!" I like that. But for my house I'd modify it (if my wife would ever let me post this):


"There's nothing in here worth dying for, but you should know that I will fight to the death defending my loved ones..."


Guess I wouldn't need to worry if I had the tiger I photographed for my avatar by the door:D My german shepherd will have to do--followed by the Mossberg 500 Pump, and the Glock 27 with laser sights:D and if you make it past that I'm dead, but if not the 20" Kobra will eat your guts with a BIG smile on its face;)
 
When Colombine happened I was surprised to see an interview of a student on the news that said he grew up hunting and using guns and he felt that if he only had his rifle with him that day he could of had a good chance to stop them(gunmen). I was supprised to see this in the maineline media!

I think it would be a GREAT idea to train students/teachers to keep and use firearms in schools just in case!!!
 
Wasn't there a school shooting incident awhile back where a kid was shooting other kids and a teacher ran out to his car where he kept his .45 and held the kid at bay until cops arrived? If we trust the teachers to teach our kids shouldn't we trust (TRAINED!!!) teachers to be a last ditch defense against a rampage like Columbine??! Sure you can't force teachers to do this, but I know there are many that would.

A friend of mine is an ex marine who teaches high school and I know damn well he would!
 
MauiRob, you're thinking of the Pearl, Mississippi, case where assistant principal Joel Myrick held the killer at gunpoint for 4 1/2 minutes until the police arrived. This is mentioned in More Guns, Less Crime, 2nd Ed., by John Lott, which I just finished reading. It's an excellent book that goes well beyond the basic thesis that shall-issue CCW reduces crime. Here's a sample quote:
When different states passed right-to-carry laws during the nineteen years we studied, the number of multiple-victim public shootings declined by a whopping 84 percent. Deaths from all these shootings plummeted by 90 percent, and injuries by 82 percent. ... The very few attacks that still occur in states after enactment of right-to-carry laws tend to occur in particular places where concealed handguns are forbidden, such as schools.
Nearly all school shootings, including the most recent one in southwest Virginia, have been stopped by citizens with guns, but you almost never see that reported in the media.
 
but you almost never see that reported in the media.

You're right, and it disgusts me. Not only because it shows the horrible bias of the media, but because they will deliberately NOT report news that can save lives if it doesn't conform to PC norms and thier liberal agenda.:barf: :(

Noone expects them to have a progun slant, just report what happens when it happens. If guns were used to do bad things tell us. If guns were used to stop a bad thing from happening or at least from getting worse--tell us that too. Rule of thumb for media: if it happens, tell us about it!! Once again common sense seems to be a sixth sense that not everyone has.
 
:( I don't have any firearms.

My government expects me to use harsh language to stop armed felons.
 
My government expects me to use harsh language to stop armed felons.

You'd better be darn good at swearing;)

I have a friend in Nova Scotia that doesn't think crime exists-period.
Seems like maybe that attitude is fairly widespread amoung your countrymen Bruise, or at least those in government;)
 
Maybe it's because Nova Scotia isn't really a population centre. There's still a lot of small towns out there. If you want to become a crime fighter / superhero, you have to move to the big city.
 
On one of my trips to Colonial Williamsburg VA the actor portraying the constable said that there was a law in (18th century) Virginia that required all adult males to own a firelock.
 
You're a burglar. You have two houses to choose from. You know the owner of one house keeps loaded guns. You know the owner of the second house has no guns. Which one would you select?
 
This has made me think--and that's dangerous-my pants could catch on fire;)

Seems like awhile ago they were blaming car jackings on the fact that so many folks had car alarms or "the club" on the steering wheels. I wonder if it will get to the point that burglars will become more aggressive when they EXPECT armed resistance. I suppose there will always be a fair number (maybe a large number) that don't keep guns/weapons in the home so they can always choose an unarmed house--if they know which is which. Or heck they could just move to England and rob everybody;)---just watch out for the lamps:D
 
Living in the uk I've come to the conclusion that the majority of people here are becoming brainwashed to think that knives, guns and weapons in general are evil and even forbid there kids from pointing a stick at each other and pretending it's a gun, meanwhile the scumbag criminals roam around with nice shiny guns and knives doing what they like.
Even people who own weapons are loathe to use them on a criminal because the criminal will sue the member of the public protecting himself....
This has prompted me to come up with my own method of dealing with a burglar or mugger. You kill them, chop off identifying bits and dump the rest in a hedge. What other choice have we got?

Jeff

P.S. If the police are reading this 'it was a joke!'
 
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