CRK one-piece survival kits- what about a sheath?

members,

Getting a new Kathathu 7.5" soon. Had to follow my buddy who just waited 2years for his Randall 18. not to be on the wrong forum, but EVERYONE can learn a thing or two about quality from Randall.

friend and i have been discussing the fillers for our new knives. His came with a marble compass, epoxied firmly in the butt cap of the Randall. I was checking out www.equipped.org which is a phenomenal gear oriented site for survival/bailout gear. The guy who runs the site, Doug Ritter,is bent on saving people's lives. he has personally posted several survival kits and critiqued almost every brand of pre-assembled kits available. this guy emphasizes quality. great basis for groundwork, extremely comprehensive articles on every piece of gear you can imagine. BTW, he carries a Sebenza for everyday.

I read several of the previous responses to this particular topic on the forum and see that there is a lot of debate about two key issues: the compass, and the contents for the handle.

the compass seems to be ok, epoxy on the aluminum cap should secure the piece in there pretty well. However, excellent concerns were raised over the compasses's ability to remain functional while being pounded on the buttcap. everyone will recall that impact and heat destroy the magnetic properties of a piece of metal. oil-filled compasses will be more resistent to both due to the fluids' ability to minimize the impact of both on the magnetized needle. However, using the compass means removing the buttcap everytime you need a reading. In the dark, that's a risk if you fumble and drop the buttcap on terrain or if you actually drop the knife and spill the contents of the handle onto the terrain. logical solution: don't keep it in the buttcap. if you need a compass, include it on a thong located somewhere else. make sure it's plastic or waterproof, small, and luminous. keeps you straight and true.

the remaining contents: research shows that a number of things can be included in a kit. but think of a timeframe for an excursion or a ditching. probably you will be picked up within 5 days if you are alert, aware, and alive. they send people after you within 24hrs now, and you will probably need to do well for about a business week, if not sooner. if using the knife for SERE, use a drop kit. if you can't establish better resources in 5 days, than you're probably gonna bite it.check out this page:
http://www.equipped.org/toc.htm

please provide feedback on this, but i think this will be the best that can fit in one of these....
take the bare minimum you need.
fire starting should be done with a small flint and magnesium. Done Right Mfg produces tiny magnesium and flint rods that are perfect for a handle kit.
add tinder (few pieces)
a wire wood saw,
about 9ft of snare,
some nylon rope (remainder of the snare),
paracord around the sheath,
50ft of 20lb test line,
hooks and sinkers,
needles, including a suture needle, and silk thread,
a few tabs of water purification tablets,
a neosporin packet,
vicadin

to really round this off, there would be a mirror, a light (photon II or II), a sharpener, and a compass (button, self luminous). I grieve, since the leather sheaths i've seen do not appear to be able to hold any accessories (please point out if I'm wrong in this). they are extremely well done, though, and the leather work is excellent. a good alternative which I found was a blackhawk 7" ballistic sheath, but i dunno if this will fit the 7.5" kathathu. obviously it seems not to, but haven't talked to them about it. too bad since the sheath is very comprehensive and has an adjustable accessory pouch for stone and other items.

This was the only shortcoming I could think of with a CRK one-piece survival kit, the sheath. If anyone can think of a better alternative, or have any comments on the proposed contents, please post them! happy to hear your thoughts.

toast


i think this should be good enough to fit in a handle.
 
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What I did for my Project I sheath,was zip tie a cocoon sheath to the front.I have a firesteel and sharpening device in the pouch.
The compass in the handle is for an emergency.Take a reading and then put the cap back on.The contents of my handle are not loose enough to fall out especially when the knife isn't tipped upside down.I think it would be wise to carry a couple of compasses,a mini-compass in the handle is just a last ditch effort tool,nothing more.
 
Nods on the compass then.

i'm still looking for a better sheath though. I guess there's enough space up front to rig a mag pouch or some sort of pocket in front of it. I'll try it out. great idea.

toast
 
Whoah, weird how we were thinking the same thing at the same time!!!


If I can't find a good sheath, I may very well try and make one. Anybody know where you can get ballisitc nylon or cordura?


I have a kydex sheath for my P1, it's from Scott Hendryx, I caught his ad in Tactical Knives years back. It's really high quality and well thought out, He even was making a "silenced" kydex sheath, it was wrapped in some sort of nylon webbing.


It also has a little pouch that can be tied onto the front or back, and lots of eyelets to experiment with various rigs and lashings.


As far as handle contents go, it depends on where you are to an extent. No fishing in the desert, right?


I don't think neosporin would really be that useful, but it does take up a lot of room. Even with neosporin, you need to wash out the cut, and that itself should be enough.


I also wonder how useful water purification tabs really are. You need a container to mix them in, and if you're gonna have a water vessel of some sort, it may as well be metal, so you can cook and boil in it. By that time, you may as well just boil your water to purify it. There's always something to burn, and if not, well, use the space that would have been taken up by the purification tablets for some fuel pelets.


Some salt and pepper would be real nice to have. Maybe some sugar and coffee, too.


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Snickersnee, blast from the past. Is Courderoy hiding with you?
 
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I haven't heard from Drew in a long time. I myself have been off the net for about a year, too busy with work and going to school.

How have things been? I see some familar old faces, a lot of new ones, too.

Then again, I see a lot of things, that's why the doctor gives me special vitamins!
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Toast -- got stuck near the beginning of your post, talking about the compass. Seems to me that if one is in emergent straits/situation, lost, needing someone to find you, that moving after dark is an easy way to make a bad scene a whole lot worse. The woods in my part of the world are nearly impassable on a nice bright day. Totally impossible to move safely in the dark at all. Realize that other forested areas aren't so dense, without so much underbrush, but even so gulleys, cliffs, etc. lie there waiting to be dropped off of. (Sorry about that dangling preposition.)

Also, people in such circumstances need rest.

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Bugs
 
Re fish hooks in desert. They would work for birds, not that I have had any need to try it. If I recall correctly, you might also be suprised to find hollows with water and fish....at least I think that was mentioned in the book, Desert Survival.

Re bulky neosporin...didn't some enterprising soul find that the salve kind was useful with tinder; remember cotton balls dipped in vaseline.

Re water purification at least one kit comes with Condy's crystals, have no idea how effective....but one would be more likely to have a plastic bag than a metal container...although I too would prefer the metal container....etc.
 
Snick, some old, a whole lot of new. Cliff is still breaking things but we havn't had a good Mad Dog Thread in about a year.

Good to see you back, cut up anything good lately?

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thanks for the reply, guys.

Snickersee-ahh, water. that's 75% of the earth's surface. true, fishing in the desert is stupid. space and weight are pretty small for a few hooks and a couple of sinkers, but their chance in being used is pretty decent and if they can get food, than the payoff is excellent. the purification tabs are a complement to either a condom, canteen, or even a little plastic bag.

weird though, i was thinkin about a canteen/container and also realized that the canteen has to be a sort of crude pot.

the contents of the handle are meant to be part of a system. that's why i thought it was important to have a sheath that could at least add a few more items to the survival "kit"- a compass (or a second one from people's recommendations), the photon, a stone. if you're wearing the knife, you should already have a water container somewhere on you, or very close. i'll follow-up on the contact you put out; the rigging on the pouch seems pretty versatile. i would think a good design was a real thin kydex sheath sewn between nylon. muffles the sheath and prevents it from banging up against things. the blackhawk design had a plastic insert to promte rigidity and protect. i was hoping i could find someone that could do that sort of work...

i was thinking about those first aid packets that neosporin comes in. i really think that stuff is great, having a pack in there couldn't hurt. if you cut yourself bad enough to require washing out a cut, that's what the lymph is for. neosporin would just help it along, prevent infection, and aid in healing.

Bugs- thanks for the comment. i would just hope that people wouldn't open their knives until they really had to fish something out of it. things have a tendancy to get disorganized or lost.

thanks for all the comments. they're very welcome.

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I never really thought about fishing for birds, though now that I am thinking about it, that has happened inadvertantly from time to time.

I like the P1 on its own merits, ignoring the storage compartment, I've even considered having a steel buttcap permanently welded on to eliminate the knife's one real problem, pommel unscrewing with prolonged chopping.

However, I've also been thinking about the whole survivalist-in-a-hollow-handle thing for a few minutes now, and I think I'm starting to see the appeal. It's always fun to accessorise and gather up a collection of gear. I might have to work on a tactical loadout for the hollow handle now. Well, that goes beyond matches and fishing tackle.(don't live in a desert, personal, and catfish are too yummy not have something to make a canepole with!)

Just the same, no way am I gonna drink water out of a condom, and I think I'd get more use and enjoyment out of some spices to add to the fish or game, and some coffee or sasafrass tea. Not very tactical, but maybe good for morale?
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stjames, been too busy to do too much recently, but I'm actualy making plans with a good friend to go on a six month sailing adventure, I'll turn it into a circumnavigation if he'll let me. Should be all sorts of intresting new things to try my Project out on!

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Oh yeah, I forgot to add that a US GI canteen w/carrier/cup is an excelent backup to the knife. While not the lightest rig available, the canteen itself is very durable, the canteen cup is as good for cooking as it is for drinking, nice and big. The carrier holds it all together, and can take a pounding, it also has a neat little external pouch for water purification tablets. I use mine to hold a magnesium firestarter, though.

Toss in a big square of sailcloth and/or a surplus wool blanket and a little paracord, and what more does a guy need?

Well, a chick, probably. I don't think one of those would fit in the hollow handle, though.
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Snickersnee,
Good to see you posting; always enjoy your P1 stories.
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Have you tried loc-tite on the end cap.

If someone cannot figure out what to put in the compartment stick some cotton balls in there and a small sparker. Compress them a little so the sparker does not rattle around with chopping. If it does, take it out, you still keep some tinder dry and no appreciable weight.
 
snickersee, members,

any luck on finding a sheath, or even a sheath maker? Still want to find out if there is anyway to get past the 7" ceiling that i'm finding on most of the stuff out there. Not that there's anything bad about the current sheath, the work is beautiful. I just want a little more functionality out of it....

something riggable with an extended number of carry options, even inverted on your shoulder strap, lashed to a backpack, or tied down on the leg.

toast

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