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Naymit

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Isn't it really annoying to find a new elegant design by an excellent knife maker which is made out of crappy materials?
Is it just me or 420J2 is a crime for this new beautiful folder by CRKT?
I wouldn't have had a problem with 440c or AUS8, but 420J2 is just...
 
Naymit said:
Isn't it really annoying to find a new elegant design by an excellent knife maker which is made out of crappy materials?
Is it just me or 420J2 is a crime for this new beautiful folder by CRKT?
I wouldn't have had a problem with 440c or AUS8, but 420J2 is just...
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Maybe actually reading the description would help?

CRKT said:
Brian's blade design is unique too, with its asymmetrical spine facets, high-hollow grind and deep belly with recurve. We use 1.4116 stainless steel in a high satin finish and offer both Razor-Sharp and Combination Razor-Sharp and Triple-Point™ serrated edges.

The frame-lock folder has an open build with heavy-duty 420J2 stainless steel frames and a 6061 T6 aluminum back spacer.

Blade of 1.4116 at 55-57 Rc., measures 3-5/8". Overall length 8-1/8". Weighs 5.6 oz.
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CRKT is bad enough without getting your facts wrong and confusing people. :rolleyes:

Or do you really fare what the frame is made of?
 
Nick Hyle said:
Maybe actually reading the description would help?



CRKT is bad enough without getting your facts wrong and confusing people. :rolleyes:

Or do you really fare what the frame is made of?
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Actually, I was looking at AG Russell's description (check out the sidebar where the knife data is) and it says Blade Steel420J2. I am happy it isn't. By the way, what is 1.4116 stainless steel? I never heard of it.
 
Whatever it is, that hardness doesn't speak well for it. It may as well be 420J2. Well, not quite, but it still isn't too impressive.
 
Naymit said:
I was trying to be civil here but it is apparently a waste of time. I know what a steel guide is... unfortunately i don't know much about this steel...aparently you do...well good for you, I guess you deserve a medal
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Don't sink to his level. You've done nothing wrong.
 
Both of the steels seem a bit on the soft side,not bad just not the Rockwell hardness that you find on other knives.

This probably is both good and bad for the knife buyer depending on his needs for the knife. The good is that the blades can easily be cookie cut or stamped out in great quantity (I think the industry calls this "blanking") and the blades can be ground and sharpened easily. What does this mean to you? It means you don't have to pay alot to get a knife that will do a fair job.

The bad side is that because the blades are softer with lower Rockwell numbers, they will dull quicker, will require more frequent sharpening, and may not hold up to the task you intend of them.

In my non-professional opinion both steels, blade and liner, appear geared toward stain resistence not hardness and toughness.

The only way you can really know is to buy it, use it, and if it works or doesn't work tell the rest of us why.

When I can buy a good Spyderco or Benchmade with good 440C or VG-10 steel, good locks, and good handles in a folder with a 3.5 inch blade why would I chose another brand except that I don't know as much about knives or cutting as I do. They all look real good sitting on the shelf! If you shop around here is what you can get for $25.

http://www.benchmade.com/products/product_detail.aspx?model=10400

http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=169



The local mart has a good price on a few select Spydie models.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371793&highlight=Walmart

Here is the M16 model listing with AUS-4 steel blade. I'm not impressed but that's me and if this work for you that's all that counts. I think it is a cool looking knife design.

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=CRM1601Z
 
DGG said:
Both of the steels seem a bit on the soft side. This probably has a good and a bad impact on the knife buyer depending on his needs for the knife. The good is that the blades can easily be cookie cut or stamped out in great quantity and ground and sharpened easily. What does this mean to you? It means you don't have to pay alot to get a knife that will do a fair job for the average or casual knife user.

The bad side is that the blades are softer, will dull quicker, will require more frequent sharpening, and may not hold up to the task you intend of them.

Both steels appear geared toward stain resistence not hardness and toughness.

The only way you can really know is to buy it, use it, and if it works or doesn't work tell the rest of us why.

When I can buy a good Spyderco or Benchmade with good 440C or VG-10 steel, good locks, and good handles in a folder with a 3.5 inch blade why would I chose another brand except that I don't know as much about knives as cutting as I do. They all look good sitting on the shelf! If you shop around here is what you can get for $25.

http://www.benchmade.com/products/product_detail.aspx?model=10400

http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=169

The local mart has a good price on a few select Spydie models.
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You are, of course right, except that I really like the design and it feels like it desrves better materials.
 
Yes, 420J2 is a very soft low-grade steel, and from the stats it seems that "1.4116" isn't much better. But it has it's place in the market because many shoppers don't want to spend more than $10 on a pocketknife. CRKT's problem that I see is using such soft steel on a knife with an msrp of $90-$100! http://www.crkt.com/mytighe.html

this new beautiful folder
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I gotta say that I disagree with that. Yet another "tactical" folder made from "cutting edge" space-age materials, like aluminum and plastic. yipee :yawn:

Best Wishes,
-Bob
 
Bob W said:
Yes, 420J2 is a very soft low-grade steel, and from the stats it seems that "1.4116" isn't much better. But it has it's place in the market because many shoppers don't want to spend more than $10 on a pocketknife. CRKT's problem that I see is using such soft steel on a knife with an msrp of $90-$100! http://www.crkt.com/mytighe.html

I gotta say that I disagree with that. Yet another "tactical" folder made from "cutting edge" space-age materials, like aluminum and plastic. yipee :yawn:

Best Wishes,
-Bob
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Bob-

The seller has as much chance of getting MSRP as he does of finding a gold nugget in his front yard. I posted a link for an M16 for under $30.

If you pick any knife model and run a "Google" and will quickly see what the price range is. Did you know Google's common stock price has dropped from about $450 per share to about $350 per share in the last month?
 
The seller has as much chance of getting MSRP as he does of finding a gold nugget in his front yard.
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Agree, mostly. And the knife manufacturers know this when they set the msrp. Still, the knife being discussed (My Tighe) at the store being discussed (AG Russell's) isn't priced significantly below msrp. And many retailers, particularly shopping mall knife shops who prey on unknowledgable shoppers, do price at or near msrp.

IMO, the My Tighe is a $20-$40 knife, depending on build quality.

Best Wishes,
-Bob
 
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