CRKT Wasp Info

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Just got off the phone with CRKT about their new Viele Wasp collaboration. They will be readily available early 2001, though knifecenter.com advertises certain models in stock now. Anyway, the blade steel is ACCUTO440, the liners are Ti w/ two tone G-10 overlays. Two sizes available. See it here: http://store.knifecenter.com/pgi-ProductSpec?CR8001

To me it looks alot more like a Tom Anderson design than a Viele. One more knife to add to the list.
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Brigadier
Beretta 92 FS nut and Wave-aholic
"And for this cause God shall send them stong delusion,that they should believe a lie;" 2 Thessalonians 2:11

[This message has been edited by Brigadier (edited 12-05-2000).]
 
I've got my place in line with Tom Marshman @ marshmanbrothers.com

He's right up in Edmonds.

~Mitch

p.s. as I mentioned in the other post, I was told that Tom Anderson was taught by Howard Viele, which is why their styles are so similar.

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My 8002 cam in from Knifecenter today. The fit and finish on this knife are the best I have yet seen from CKRT. The knife has an overall quality equal to that of a Spyderco like the Viele or Lum Chinese. My only complaint is the location of the thumbstud. It should have been closer to the base of the blade, as it is about a 3/8" an inch of the blade is lost from slicing due to the stud placement. I recommend the larger model unless one just wants a small knife because the large seems a bit smaller than it advertised 3.13" blade length. It is closer to 3 or 2.9". The OAL is about 7.25". The blue and black G-10 is beautiful. This is a nice dress type of knife.
 
Dexter,
According to my phone conversation with CRKT, the blade steel is ACCUTO440, your link lists it as AUS118(?).

I wish they had used Howard's oval thumb hole instead of the stud.
 
I am sorry for spreading misinformation. I was informed this afternoon that Howard Viele who has been making knives for 27 years had no hand in teaching Tom Anderson. Tom has apparently "taken upon himself to use a lot my designs" (Howard Viele, email).

I just wanted to set the record straight, and I apologize to Howard for my misinformation.

~Mitch

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I would like to reinforce what Mitch has mentioned. I have known Howard for several years, he is one of my closest and dearest friend. I have known of his work since the early 90's and he has always been one of the finest designer I have had the pleasure to know. The knives that Tom Anderson is making are absolute copies. There is nothing bad about getting ideas from other makers and modifying them to your own style and taste. To use one idea is okay, two is questionable but 3+ is out of line. In this case it is obvious that several of Howard's trademarks and designs are being used.
In the early years I admit that I found inspiration in different makers' work, who I considered to be my heroes. However, as I matured, I found my own style. I did not find it necessary to find inspiration in someone else's work but my own.
Many knifemakers that would or would not admit it, have done the same. Maybe it is now time for Tom to move on.
Have a good day!
Allen Elishewitz
 
Brigadier - here's the straight skinny on AUS118, pretty simple actually. The AUS118 is ACUTO440, but with a new name. Reason for the name change - to avoid confusion with the other steels like 440A, 440C, etc. Same steel, new name.

How they arrived at AUS118? The same company that produces ACUTO440 also produces AUS-6 and AUS-8. ACUTO440 has 1% carbon and 18% chromium. There ya go!
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Dexter,
Thanks for the clarification.

And for further clarification, I did NOT in anyway intend to insult Mr. Viele concerning the design of the Wasp and my comment on the similarity to a Tom Anderson design. I was not aware of the similarities of the two designers, and am more familiar with Tom's designs than Howard's. If one is "copying" the other, than that is between them, and I hope they can work things out.

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Beretta 92 FS nut and Wave-aholic
"And for this cause God shall send them stong delusion,that they should believe a lie;" 2 Thessalonians 2:11
 
I would like to reply to Mr. Elishewitz's 12-11-00 posting concerning the resemblance of my knife designs to those of Howard Viele's.

It is common knowledge that many new knifemakers adopt design characteristics of established makers. This is especially true when a new maker becomes influenced by those who have helped guide him through the difficult task of making mechanically sound knives that are also ergonomic and stylish, as Howard has done for me. I will be eternally grateful to him for the considerable amount of time and effort he has spent assisting me.

I admit that I have taken into consideration and adopted certain elements from the many people who have offered their assistance in my quest to make "good knives". However, I have not made any attempt to completely steal any model from any maker.

I understand that many established makers have developed certain features on their knives which they consider their "signature". If I have inadvertantly copied any such "signature", I apologize and promise to make an effort to come to mutually agreeable terms with the originator when approached.

However, I cannot make any changes or corrections if I am unaware that a conflict exists. Nor can I affect changes if I am not told specifically what not to do. The responsibility of choosing which elements need to be changed would fall on the maker if he is simply asked not to emulate a "look". Appropriate changes can only be affected if the originator points out the specific details in question.

In turn, one would expect the originator to bring the same issue to point with all others who have adopted similar design characteristics.

I find it unfortunate that I have found out about this issue in this forum. Until a few days ago, I was unaware of this matter.

During the past four years, I have attended shows where Allen Elishewitz has had ample opportunity to comment on my knife designs. In fact, Allen has been at my table to review my knives on several occasions.

I have told anyone who has asked me that Howard Viele has been influential in how I design and build knives. I have asked Howard to comment on many of my concept drawings as well as prototypes over the past four years, and I have greatly appreciated his suggestions.

If anyone has noted any specific characteristic that I employ on my knives that infringes on anyone's trademark, please contact me directly. If insults have been taken either directly or indirectly from any of my actions in the world of knifemaking, I apologize to those involved. All I ask is to let me know when the potential for a problem exists so the issue can be handled in a professional manner.

I intend to continue to give credit to those who have assisted me in my knifemaking efforts.

Thank you,

Tom Anderson
955 Canal Road Extd.
Manchester, PA 17345
717 266-6475

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Tom:
I would like you to know that on several occasion at shows I came very close to telling you what I posted above. There are 2 reasons that held me back: The first one is that I know Howard quite well and he hates any type of confrontation or anything that is a stress to himself. That is the reason why he has never confronted you. You know as well as I do what a generous and kind person he is.
The second reason is that I do not know you personaly. And the only time I would have had a chance to say anything to you would have been behind your table, since I have never seen you at a dinner or in the lobby of a hotel where makers usually meet. I would never start a confrontation at a maker's table during show hours, because I consider that extremely rude and unprofessional.
Like I said in my previous post, we have all found inspiration in other makers' work. But the true artists are able to elevate themselves beyond this stage and create their own style.
I have heard many people mentioning inaccurate facts over the past couple of years. And since the subject was brought up here, I took the opportunity to clarify it.

I would like you to understand that my post was not intended to harm your knife business but in a way to help it.
Sincerely yours,
Allen Elishewitz
 
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