Curly Birdseye Maple??

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Is Curly Birdseye Maple harder than most other woods? I just got some off of ebay and i just tried cutting it with my wood cutting bandsaw, made the blade jusmp off 3 times (this has not happened with any other wood including hicory or oak), and just barely made any progress inot the 1.5" block. I took it to my portaband and it cut it, but it was just as slow as cutting steel. Is there anything special i need to know in order to finish it? Is it harder than just curly maple because of the little birdseye knot things?
 
It must be very dense croch wood. Maple though refered to as a hard wood is not compared to such as oak, hickory and walnut. I don't think so anyhow.

RL
 
There are numerous varieties of maple. Some are relatively soft for a hardwood. Others are so hard you will never get a nail or screw through them without drilling a pilot hole, ie, hardrock maple. Curly and birdseye figure occurs in many varieties, so one seldom knows what variety you're getting unless it's specified.

Use fresh belts when working. Don't leave any big scratches in or they'll be a biatch to remove handsanding. It'll take a nice oil finish and will be quite stable.

Sure can make some smoke with a regular bandsaw can't it? :D
 
Typically speaking, hard maple is sugar maple (and a few other varieties), soft is silver, red, box elder, etc. Curl or figure is generally more substantial in the soft variety, though is present in the harder woods. In hard maple, curl is often more subdued. I don't know the exact science with the densities, but thats a good rule of thumb. If you are looking at a premium or "Exhibition" grade figured piece of maple, you are almost assuredly looking at one of the soft maples. Hope that helps -MJ
 
MJ is correct,the Big Leaf Maples and other soft varieties are usually the high pattern and burl varieties.Rock maple is fairly plain in figure.Maple normally cuts easily,so either the wood is stabilized,or your tension is messed up on your band saw.One thing that can make the blade start jumping is if the lower bearing is coming out of its race.Happens a lot with Sears units.The metal saw will cut wood at about the same rate as steel,that is pretty normal.
To finish the wood use fresh,sharp belts and paper.Once shaped and smoothed to about 220 finish to at least 600 by hand. To intensify the contrast ,buff with white or pink polish and a little bit of pressure.Just enough to darken the curls,but not enough to burn the rest of the wood.It takes a bit of finesse,but it completely changes the look of the wood,creating a 3D effect.
 
Thanks for the info guys. I think this must be rock maple as i have cut regular curly maple with no problems.
 
I know someone who works for a furniture company that went from occasional to almost complete use of hard maple .He said "they had a lot to learn !" He and others I have talked to consider it more like the exotics in machining . It burns very easily [they had a fire in their sanding machine !]. Cutting birds eye with plane or chisels require very sharp tools as the eyes can be easily popped out. But it's a nice wood and I had my kitchen cabinets made from it though with plain grain.
 
I'm not a knife craftsman, but I do make furniture and other wood items (clocks, boxes, etc) and I use a lot of maple, so here's what I can add.

First, the two hard maple varieties are Black maple and Sugar maple. While all maples' woods look pretty much the same, these two are harder and have more dense fiber to them. They machine very well, but you'll want to use dried (seasoned) wood, because they will change quite a bit dimensionally as they stabilize. Once stabilized and finished, they tend to stay quite stable.

Best way to color hard maple is to use aniline dyes. Maple takes dye well, and is forgiving -- you can wipe on more or take it off quick to control the shade. If the color is too dark or intense, you can rub the work with a cloth dampened with the dye base (alcohol or water) and it will take some of the dye out. After that, you can finish it with oil or polyurethane and it looks beautiful. Hard maple doesn't do well with regular stains unless the stain is a penetrating one, and then you usually have to leave it on for quite a while to get any kind of color saturation.

All maples can produce birdseye, quilting, or spalting patterns, and these forms of wood deformation (crotch wood, stress, etc) make for gorgeous finished pieces. Hard maple crotchwood is almost like ironwood in hardness, but a bit easier to work. It will chip, though, in smaller works. It's very important to make sure the wood is stabilized before working with these patterns so they'll hang together when the work is complete.

As someone already mentioned, toolmarks can be tough to sand out of hard maple. It's worth the work, but it does take some time. To give you an idea of the differences in hard vs. soft maple, consider the way bowling alley floors used to be made. The area with the dots, where you do your windup to throw the ball and all the way down to the arrows on the floor, were always made with hard maple. That way the landing ball (whether dropped or properly thrown) wouldn't scar the floor. The floor between the arrows and the pins were made of either soft maple or other variety, because the wear they took was only from rolling balls; they didn't need to be as tough. Bowling alley flooring, when you can find it, is great wood, because it was always treated and aged before use and it's in 1" thick, long, extremely straight and stable boards, and it was old-growth -- extremely close layering of the rings. That stuff is like cutting metal. My workbench top is a 7'x3' slab, it even has the dots where you line up your feet! This stuff could take a 10-megaton direct hit and all you'd have to do is sand off the scorchmarks. Anyway, when they tear down an old bowling alley, there's always somebody selling the floor wood cheap. That's how I found mine.

Hope this helps -- good luck! If anybody has any questions about using dyes with it, let me know -- I've made every mistake there is, maybe I can help you avoid some of 'em.

Specialized
 
Terry,
Thumbnail test will get you in the ballpark. If it dents with your thumbnail, it's soft maple. Specilized is correct on the figuring in maple, it occurs in them all, but a bit more prevalent in the soft maples because they grow faster.
Hard to beat acer nigra or acer sacchram for looks when stained and finished properly
(but I still prefer curly hickory or figured osage).
The scratch thing is important, just like finishing a blade. You leave a scratch and it will show in the finished product.
 
I have a question while we are here. How well does the highly figured maple turn on a lathe? I have turned straight grained maple on my wood lathe, and of course, it turns like a dream. I have some highly figured quilted stuff that I want to turn, but my concern is if it tends to have pull-outs, etc. Yes, I use sharp gouges.
 
Again, my experience has been from the woodworking angle, but hopefully it will be of some help to you.

The tough nature of hard maple's fiber dictates that the tools be extremely sharp, and that the pressure when applying them be uniform and fairly light. That being said, with patience the figured stuff will turn pretty well. Pull-out of the eyes in birdseye is a common problem, and you might want to turn to the rough shape and then do the rest with sandpaper on the lathe -- it takes a long time, but the best bowls, vases, etc. I've seen with maple were done that way. Good luck!

Specialized
 
John, very sharp tools and patience ,don't try too remove too much too fast.
 
Use freshly sharpened tools with LONG handles.When the figure grabs the tool,you need all the leverage you can get to control the tool.
 
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