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datsgor

datsgor

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of just how fast society will break down in the event of a "real" SHTF situation. I am refering to, of coarse, the playstation frenzy and people getting shot and robbed. If they will do this for a toy, They will come after your and my supplies with even more intensity. Any thoughts? John
 
datsgor said:
of just how fast society will break down in the event of a "real" SHTF situation. I am refering to, of coarse, the playstation frenzy and people getting shot and robbed. If they will do this for a toy, They will come after your and my supplies with even more intensity. Any thoughts? John
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That's why, even though, BOB's can have a purpose, the less, people see you with, the better. If you're not carrying a bulging pack with who-knows what kind of goodies, the safer you are, at least IMHO. Therefore, the need to expand your knowledge base rather than your pack.

Doc
 
Codger said:
Anything you can own can be lost, used up, broken, stolen, or otherwise taken from you. Except knowledge and experience.

Codger
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Right you are Doc. Toys and gadgets are great fun. But knowledge is indespensable.

Codger
 
if something happened and you had or could stay put at your house, then you are set as long as you keep the doors and everything locked and make it look like you are not home (maybe hang out in the basement?)

if you have to move, i think it would be good to have some stuff cached in a safe place so that it doesn't look like you have your whole house on your back. also, if you have some kind of pack cover that is really ugly and outdated looking, it will help to make it look like you don't know what you are doing. if you have your high tech looking para military type pack, it is a dead give away that you will have alot of good stuff.
 
Hmmm, lights on or off. If the house looks dark, somebody could think it was an easy target for pillage...unless you put a couple of rounds across their bow. That means you have to see them first, with IF or other light source.

If you light the house...do it from the outside, not the inside, don't let them see you inside the house like in all the horror movies...but then the outside lights could be targets.

I think...IMHO...that I would take up outside firing points away from the source of light. .02
 
Hmmm, an interesting dilemma. Typically you'd like to use backlighting against the badguys, but, that means you and your light source have to be separated quite a bit.

if i may profile for a moment, I think in this kind of scenario, your badguys will tend to be young males, age 16 to 25. Heavy on Piss & Vinegar, light on wordly knowledge. Throw in some testosterone and you'll have badguys who don't really plan a lot, they just "do" things because it sounds like the thing to do. Driven basically by the need for food/water and the urge to pillage.

At night, triplines with cans tied to them, or a cow bell, would serve as an auditory alarm. Dogs are good alarms too.

Neighbors would be helpful as everyone could take shifts, and/or simply watch out for each other.

We know our home surroundings much much better than the badguys.
At night we can make our way around our dwellings, an within our homes, they would have more trouble navigating.

I'll bet the badguys aren't planning on me having NVGs, ooops, Surprise!!
"if i get em in my sights , Boom Boom , out go the lights."

I think the more explosive sitaution would be broad daylight, having 2 or 3 individuals walk up on you all of a sudden asking if you have any food or water. That's the scenario where it can all go to hell in 5 seconds.
Similar to being Carjacked in the middle of the day. It happens real fast.
 
similarly, what do you do, when you have planned and strategized for your family...and then, those friends that have given you crap about being paranoid, show up at your door and you are all of a sudden looking at your rations being cut in half if you let them in. These are good friends, but they just didn't have any foresight. They have made comments of."If the SHTF...I am coming straight over to your house, you've got the guns and food" A dilema to say the least....having to turn away people that you care about......or do you let them in? Strength in #'s, but less to live on.
 
Well, that is a tough one.

I guess you welcome them if they are truly "good friends",
but you make it a contract ,
there is work to be done. Nobody rides for free.

Depending on your sitaution, there could be water to collect and boil, firewood to gather and chop, food to procure.

I'd make them aware that there are no freebies.

You say you care about them, so, I imagine any of us will welcome those people we truly are about. It can also be more comforting to have some like-minded folks around during trying times.
 
datsgor said:
similarly, what do you do, when you have planned and strategized for your family...and then, those friends that have given you crap about being paranoid, show up at your door and you are all of a sudden looking at your rations being cut in half if you let them in. These are good friends, but they just didn't have any foresight. They have made comments of."If the SHTF...I am coming straight over to your house, you've got the guns and food" A dilema to say the least....having to turn away people that you care about......or do you let them in? Strength in #'s, but less to live on.
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I cannot tell you how many times I have heard various friends or co-workers say this and to be honest it is irritating , I am no Moses, much less a Patton.
I cant even balance my damn bank account , I do not need hangers on who had no intention of surviving other than to hold on the pants of others.



datsgor of just how fast society will break down in the event of a "real" SHTF situation. I am refering to, of coarse, the playstation frenzy and people getting shot and robbed. If they will do this for a toy, They will come after your and my supplies with even more intensity. Any thoughts? John
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That IMO depends on where you live , I live in one of the cities that had "trouble" with the release of that game machine. I have zero doubt that the numbnuts in my city and state will lose thier frickin minds if and when the SHTF , the amount of welfare mentality peoeple in this state is unbelievable, the amount of young , unwed mothers is also un-flippin-believalbe , go to Wal Mart on a friday night and you will see what I mean , teenage girls pushing dual carriages , did they stop to consider whose going to feed thier kids if things go to hell ? I'm getting off track here, sorry.

It's funny how opposite I can see things , yes this is the greatest country on earth IMO , but it is also one of the silliest , most frivolous societies I think has ever existed.
I have no confidence in the majority of my fellow Americans to behave and help one another in an all out emergency.
I am sure the mini ghetto 1/2 mile from my apartment will become a hotbed of criminal activity - that would not be fun...
Fresno has a ridiculously large amount of gang members and thier ilk , you can bet your fur that those types are going to band together into larger groups to pillage and so forth...

Man , all we can do is prepare quietly and hope. I guess..

.....and learn , learn, learn how to make those headshots count. :thumbup:
 
I'm glad that I live in a rural community. I have acres and acres of land around me. And my neighbors are mostly corrections officers, retired or active. Figure that out. That is the only problem I see here...just 6 miles away is Dannemora otherwise known as Clinton Correctional Facility, a maximum security prison...bad bad people in there...and if they ever got out of there, it would be hell around my neighborhood...a free fire zone...but I don't see anybody letting them out of there...the place will be cordoned off by police and military...but, anything can happen...I have to think about this.
 
I "bugged out" twenty years ago and live in a pretty remote locale. Given the demographics and general attitudes of my neighbors, looters would have a very bad time of it in these parts.
 
X39, I agree, the people around my area are better armed than the police or military as far as small arms go...as far as the rest, well the Adirondacks, as well as the Appalachian Mountains in general, are as bad as Korea or Afghanistan and Pakistan, or the Balkans or western Iran...and we have so many damned good roads going in so many directions...and wonderful communications...
 
rebeltf said:
I have zero doubt that the numbnuts in my city and state will lose thier frickin minds if and when the SHTF
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I agree completely. The nanny state mentality will be a real problem when people start realizing the nanny is not coming anytime soon. We are all pretty smart planners here. I think I will put a little more thought into what I am gonna do when the mob becomes restless and violent.
 
In a disaster case, I see 3 distinct groups of the population:

-The largest group being the ones waiting for the govt to help them.
They will go to shelters, camps, or line up for bread and water.
They will trample each other in mass waves when they announce there is no more bread for the day. They will blame gov't for everything.

-The next group is the badGuys. Gangs, criminals and whackos.
I think they will burn themsleves out, so, survive for a given period of time, and they will dwindle, fracture, shoot each other, run out of food, ammo and supplies because they don't a clue how to conserve, only how to take.

-Then there are people like us, who will use our brains, knowledge and equipment to get along. We will do our best to keep a level head, look at the situation , and steer as clear as we can from the other two groups.

Hopefully, it'll never get that bad.
 
Gangs will have to go. I'm probably setting myself up for a lot of heat for saying that, and I know it sounds egotistical...but the biggest MF in the gang has to go down first...and the cops might stand by and wait for somebody else to do it first, and then arrest that person...but I can't let a gang get into my community. Could you?
 
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