Custom Forum, ABS Thread

Oh goodness, not another fourm, haha. I agree with you.
Haha, and Im sure Im one of those who starts a few of those boring newbie threads.;)
 
Kit, I'm with you on this. I will be joining the ABS this year sometime but I don't see the need to have a dedicated ABS forum on BF.
I think Shop Talk and the other forums cover things nicely as it is. Shop Talk, covers the forged blade and the stock removal blade and everyone gets along just fine. Why have a forum that by nature excludes a large segment of membership?
 
I'm for the ABS forum. If people don't want to go there, they don't have to go there.
 
Well Kit, as you can tell by my involvement in that thread that I think you are wrong. Many of the forums here are exclusive by their very nature. That does not make them bad. You can't go to the traditional knife forum and ask questions on tactical knives. Does that make the tactical guys feel bad? I don't think so.

Anyway, it looks like many people think that such a forum is not necessary. I have lived without BladeForums having a forum dedicated to forged blades so far and it won't kill me if we don't get one now. I will continue to push for it at every opportunity though. Hopefully there are no hard feelings over this. It is just that this is something that I feel strongly would be a good thing.
 
First, I also wish to avoid hard feelings it is just opinions.
If the ABS were interested in a forum there would be one. WE do not need to establish a private form, prop it up with a feeling of 'special' and further divide our discussions. In the shoptalk form all can participate, I believe that a great majority of the meaningful discussion involves brothers of the stock removal end of our family.
The knife is what is important, not who or what family. The ABS has never built a knife, it is the individual that builds, dreams and contributes. Organizations tend toward prosiac attitudes for the individual and support themselves, the individual is what matters and is the most productive opportunity for involvement and support.

Kit I agree with you. Good discussion.
 
Originally posted by Ed Fowler
First, I also wish to avoid hard feelings it is just opinions.
If the ABS were interested in a forum there would be one. WE do not need to establish a private form, prop it up with a feeling of 'special' and further divide our discussions. In the shoptalk form all can participate, I believe that a great majority of the meaningful discussion involves brothers of the stock removal end of our family.
The knife is what is important, not who or what family. The ABS has never built a knife, it is the individual that builds, dreams and contributes. Organizations tend toward prosiac attitudes for the individual and support themselves, the individual is what matters and is the most productive opportunity for involvement and support.

Kit I agree with you. Good discussion.
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Amen!!:D
 
Keith,
Certainly, no hard feelings. My interest was only in maintaining a single forum for makers and collectors to meet. The Custom forum used to be like that, then it became a place for collectors. Makers quit visiting and posting there, for the most part, because when they posted pictures of their work, it was considered advertising and it was moved to the Gallery. Nothing against Gus or Blues as they were just doing their job as it was defined at that point in time. I honestly believe IT is the forum you are looking for, with a few adjustments.
I think this forum has developed into more of a family/friend atmosphere where they can rant when a bad day happens, show pictures of their work, ask hundreds of questions and get thousands of good, honest answers. What it needs more of is collectors like you visiting and giving input/advice, and at the same time, allowing these same makers to interact on the Custom Knife Forum.

Ed,
Well said. It has been a good discussion and may open the road to some adjustments that may satisfy everyone.
 
Hi all,

I agree with some of the points made for having an ABS Forum, but the Custom and Shoptalk Forums are already in place to cover these issues. Adding a new forum probably wouldn't add to the content on BF.C, just shuffle it around a bit.

Also, having a specifically ABS forum may or may not attract more ABS smiths to this site, but what about any other organizations or makers that forge their blades? Would a generic forged blade forum make more sense so as not to limit it soley to ABS members?

If there's enough member interest for a new forum it's just a matter of flicking a switch, let's just make sure that it's an issue that generates enough traffic to support it, or one that is potentially being hampered by not having an adequate outlet.

-Jose
 
RE: Ed Fowlers' comments ... Nicely said!!

I'll add.... Regardless of the intent, I think it is important that forums appear inclusive rather than exclusive.


Bob
 
Looks like I'm in good company because I agree with Kit and Ed. Well said guys.

If I remember correctly, it has been proposed in the past that we have a forum to differentiate stock removal from forging. I thought it was a bad idea then and I think it's a bad idea now. In my opinion, it would drive a wedge between the close-knit group of makers here on Shop Talk and promote a sort of elitism. We don't need that.

And if ABS members and supporters won't come to BF unless they have their own exclusive forum, we don't need 'em.
 
I agree with ya Kit!

Also, what Jose said is right on the money. Just because you don't belong to the ABS doesn't mean you don't forge a quality blade. An ABS specific forum could make alot of folks feel left out or unwanted.


I'm already kinda pissed off about the arrogance I read posted here by or in reference to smithies forging blades as opposed to stock removal.
 
Threads generally drift, and can cover a lot more than whats specific to their title. I've learned a lot just reading through discussion here in shoptalk regardless of whether it really pertained to the work I was doing, or the method I was using.
I'd rather keep it all here just like it is, rather than trying to keep track of two different forums. Work and experiments done by ABS guys can be helpful to everybody, and on the same note, we're all stumbling into new ideas or perfecting things ourselves. ABS guys can learn from all of us other guys once in awhile too. (I specialize in what NOT to do ;) )
Its also a great group of people. Why split it up?
 
I don't think shop talk has anything to be worried about.

The proposed American Bladesmith forum could be about sharing knives, stories, and experiences with other makers, collectors, and users.

Forgers should post their "how-to's" and "how do I's" in the shop-talk forum.

I would like there to be clean slate on this board to talk about the forged blade, the men behind them, and share pictures with others.

yes, it would be exclusve.
Exclusively about forged knives and the people who love them:)
 
Originally posted by Anthony Lombardo
The proposed American Bladesmith forum could be about sharing knives, stories, and experiences with other makers, collectors, and users.
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Why can't this be done in the Custom forum?
 
Personally, I don't think it would split up the Shop Talk forum at all. In fact, it might just bring more ABS members to this forum. If they come for the ABS forum and look around a little, they just might find that they enjoy this place as well. How could they not?

Ed, well said, as always. I kind of figured we would be on opposite sides on this one.:)
 
Anthony,
I answered your other post on the Custom Forum.
Read the replies on this forum from the guys that have supported BF for years. These makers are both stock removal and Forge guys. If you read above, you will see why most have not posted on the Custom forum. Lobby for getting that forum changed.
You and others are trying to create a division that is not wanted nor welcomed, imho.
I fail to see any of the ABS guys jumping in to support your desires. Again, read above.
 
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