Custom/Production. What do you think.

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Some of you may be aware that Emerson Knives will be opening up their Custom/Production website soon. If you are not familiar with what is going to happen, check out my post in this forum under "Mach 1" started by Daniel. This will outline the way the website will be laid out (to a point).

I am wondering what all of you think of this offering/concept? any questions, concerns, wishes? Those of you that have had the time to digest and think about it, what do you plan on ordering? Myself, I am putting in my bid for a Commander or Mach 1 with a CN (Chromium Nitride) blade and green or blue anodized liners.

Let us all know what you want to see!

Take care,
Derek

[This message has been edited by Derek (edited 01-26-2000).]
 
Hi Derek -

Like everyone else, I'm glad to see you here, since it is invaluable to have input from the company on many of these issues. Regarding your question, I am probably in the minority but I am very disappointed about this turn of events.

The advent of EKC with its own separate line of knives (i.e., Raven, SpecWar, and the hugely and deservedly popular production version of the CQC7) was great. It allowed an enormous number of people to get an Emerson designed knife at a reasonable price. But a wrong turn was taken by using a logo that is almost identical to the handmade knives of Ernie Emerson.

Then, introducing a knife - the Commander - that is very nearly indistinguishable from the ES1M (size notwithstanding, they are twins)further elevated a blurring of lines that should have been kept distinct. It's a great knife, no arguement there, rightfully awarded many kudos, but no one else makes a custom and a production version with such slight varience under such similar names. Just look at the custom and production versions of the CQC7 - no one, not even a five year old, would confuse the two.

More recently, that distinction has been further eroded by the custom knives' being finished differently than in the past, with methods that mimic the production knife stylings. For example, until EKC began, there never was a custom knife with a secondary grind bevel or bead blasted finish. Now that is the standard. Similarly, the CQC8 handle changed dramatically with the Commander's introduction. Thus another distinction lost.

You now say that production knives can have customization, which leads me to wonder if there will be any lines left. The majority of the population here see that as a good thing, and applaude the introduction. After all, actual custom knives are currently backordered for at least five years (mine is!)so here's a way to get the next best thing. I disagree because of Gresham's Law: if I may paraphrase, it essentially states that the lesser knives will corrupt and drive out the greater ones.

Who will make the customized EKC knives? What, if any, role will Ernie play in their creation/production? Is a damascus and titanium handled EKC knife a production knife (like a Benchmade), a semi-production knife (like a Sebenza), an Emerson Made knife (like a Randall),or a custom Emerson? Why should it matter? Because of the impact it has on the fully custom knives. As limned above, nearly every opportunity to demonstrate a delineation between the two entities has been ignored. This new announcement just ices that particular cake.

If EKC is going to become the Randall of folders - great. But first make the announcement, then start making the knives in a collective; don't go farther down the road to oneness and then declare it.

I went on for longer than I expected to, sorry. But I don't believe handmade customs and customized production can co-exist, and obviously the custom knife is the loser. As such, so are we.
 
why doesnt he fulfill his obligations on all the backordered knives he took deposits on before doing all these other things?
Greed is a terrible thing when it causes us to put our responsibilities on the shelf!

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I for one like the idea. I think Ernie just got so popular, that this is the only way his designs will get out. I would love to be able to make my production blade a little different than someone elses, have decent delivery time, and more importantly, not pay a fortune. There was a time when I thought it was totally insane to carry a $500 folder, hey now I do (I passed so many old Emersons through my hands because of this...stupid), but I do 90% of my utility stuff with affordable, replaceable, production knives. A number of us serious collectors had a really good laugh at one of the shows a while back when guys who had like twenty Emerson customs between us were all carrying BM AFCK's in our pockets. Now that same group is all carrying Commanders. In regards to the ES1M vs. the Commander-trust me there is a definite difference. I think the custom-production thing may free up Ernie to get back to some of his custom work, and will hopefully improve it back to the standards of old. It may also allow better accessability to the product to many that would never be able to either find, or afford a custom. Just my two cents.

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On one hand I agree with Nyeti because I would love to see new designs get out. On the other hand, I agree with jbravo as we have all observed Emerson shift from custom to production knives in the past three years. I feel that there will be less and less Emerson handmades out there. There will be some really nice ones like the dress folders which cost a lot but the rest of the line has gone down in qualityin my opinion.

If this is what Emerson wants to do that's his perogative and he's worked hard to earn this reputation but I would still love to see more customs. For the real collectors, not those just interested in resale.

Jason
 
I believe the custom production route is a viable alternative for Emerson. My first tactical folder was a BM CQC7. I knew way back then that this would probably be as close as I would ever get to a true Emerson custom and his prices and waiting period were both much more reasonable then. The past couple years have seen my knife budget and expectations rise
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and yet the gap between where I am and an Emerson custom is greater than ever
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. I hear stories of extended delivery times and workmanship that "is of tactical quality" and cannot help but shake my head when I see the prices ($2500-$3000 for a dress CQC6 - hahahaha!). As such I no longer have any desire to own a custom Emerson and as a result welcome his addition of custom production knives. If this decreases the demand for his customs, so be it. What ever shall I do? I better weigh the choices:

1)I now have the opportunity to own a fully dressed Emerson designed knife for about 1/3 the price of a plain custom version

2)I will still be young enough to enjoy it when it arrives

3)I will able to carry and use it without fear of damaging it's value

I don't think I'll be needing any help answering this one!
 
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