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Custom shop Busse vs production
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The customs might hit twice the price of the coated production blades, but not usually twice the price of the satin or double cut production blades. They are more expensive because they have more expensive handles and harder to finish blade grinds usually. The steel is the same...INFI.
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Often the handles are hand shaped or made from natural materials like wood or bone. Some are coated and some are satin finish or Double Cut. The satin and Double Cut blades are much more expensive than a coated blade.
A lot of the custom shop models also have different grinds, like full flat on a model which is normally sabre ground.
A custom shop model is also one of few or even one of one, you have to pay for exclusivity.
They are expensive and I think some are too expensive but other people buy them, I must be wrong.
A lot of the custom shop models also have different grinds, like full flat on a model which is normally sabre ground.
A custom shop model is also one of few or even one of one, you have to pay for exclusivity.
They are expensive and I think some are too expensive but other people buy them, I must be wrong.
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as mentioned, it is normally the grind, scales, and hand fitting/shaping.
production models, even le's, have a basic grind and shape with micarta or g10 machined scales.
the customs have variant grinds, serrations, exotic hand fitted/shaped scales, and are nearly always satin or double cut.
the only other company i can think of right now that has a similar operation is strider. the production models vary only slightly in price for a model with slight modifications, like tritium thumbstuds, flag carvings, etc.
the msc and ddc hand grinds are at least double the same knife in a production version.
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Depends on the knife; smaller ones in the $600, larger $700 or more. Nukes (serratted spine) usually run over $1000.
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The Badgers were closer to $500.
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A bad warden is a small satin finish Busse custom and it costs about $350.
A SOW costs about $700 but I think it is priced high compared to most other customs.
Steel Hearts, Mojo's and Battle Mistresses are the only knives that are in the $800 range unless you order a knife from the custom shop which can be quite expensive.
The prices I have listed are knife show prices where you go to the show and they still have some customs left.
A SOW costs about $700 but I think it is priced high compared to most other customs.
Steel Hearts, Mojo's and Battle Mistresses are the only knives that are in the $800 range unless you order a knife from the custom shop which can be quite expensive.
The prices I have listed are knife show prices where you go to the show and they still have some customs left.
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there are 4 different types of busse custom knives:
production LE's
small run semi production variants
variants
full custom
production le's have the custom shop logo on them because they are hand finished and inspected. they tend to have higher quality fit and finish. their prices are higher then cg, but they sell for more as well. while they may go up faster then cg models, it depends largely on how many are available on the after market. because they are a production knife, it often depends on how many were purchased in the initial sale of the knife. another example of this type of custom shop knife is the NICK.
small run production variants include things like the sow's, piano keys and things like that. there are x amount made, but that x amount can vary from 10 to 300. the price sale prices on the after market tend to be noticably higher then the LE production blades because of thier limited numbers, but they may not go that high unitl two or three years have passed, and no one is selling them on the open market anymore. after market value is disctated by how many are being sold, what the sellers choose to sell them at, and what people are willing to pay.
variants are one of a kind custom shop alterations of pre existing production models. sometimes these variants show themselves again later on, as has been seen with the serrated back active duties. originally there were only 3, but several more have been made since they were orinally produced. they have never been offered in a large number however, they have historically come in only 1 or 2 at a time, sold at various shows. these draw in premium prices because they are truly one of a kind, and are often as rare as any busse out there.
complete customs are knives that are designed form the ground up by either busse or by customers. These draw the highest prices, because they are unique to the busse line and are usually the only one of its type in existence.
and then there are the rarely seen 80's models wich were sold in the hundreds, yet are never seen todays after market
production LE's
small run semi production variants
variants
full custom
production le's have the custom shop logo on them because they are hand finished and inspected. they tend to have higher quality fit and finish. their prices are higher then cg, but they sell for more as well. while they may go up faster then cg models, it depends largely on how many are available on the after market. because they are a production knife, it often depends on how many were purchased in the initial sale of the knife. another example of this type of custom shop knife is the NICK.
small run production variants include things like the sow's, piano keys and things like that. there are x amount made, but that x amount can vary from 10 to 300. the price sale prices on the after market tend to be noticably higher then the LE production blades because of thier limited numbers, but they may not go that high unitl two or three years have passed, and no one is selling them on the open market anymore. after market value is disctated by how many are being sold, what the sellers choose to sell them at, and what people are willing to pay.
variants are one of a kind custom shop alterations of pre existing production models. sometimes these variants show themselves again later on, as has been seen with the serrated back active duties. originally there were only 3, but several more have been made since they were orinally produced. they have never been offered in a large number however, they have historically come in only 1 or 2 at a time, sold at various shows. these draw in premium prices because they are truly one of a kind, and are often as rare as any busse out there.
complete customs are knives that are designed form the ground up by either busse or by customers. These draw the highest prices, because they are unique to the busse line and are usually the only one of its type in existence.
and then there are the rarely seen 80's models wich were sold in the hundreds, yet are never seen todays after market
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sorry, I didn't answer the question
the difference is that one is handled by the custom shop, either from conception to finish, or only in the finishing stage.
The production side is run as an assembly line with a lot of checks and quality assurance measures in place. everything is done by machine as much as possible these days to reduce turn around time, and assure accuracy from model to model. while they are handled by hand and have some fit and finish accomplished by hand, they are largely done by machineing. production cg peices are limited to the production options specified by the original sale of the knife.
the custom shop spends much more time inspecting for fit and finish, and has essentially an unlimited number of options available to the buyer for an extra charge. There is a lot more that is done on the knife by hand, becuase they have a staff dedicated to working on individual orders, rather then working on production sets.
Generally speaking you will find that the custom shop models have options that the cg models do not, and that their fit and finish will be more pleasing to the eye.
the difference is that one is handled by the custom shop, either from conception to finish, or only in the finishing stage.
The production side is run as an assembly line with a lot of checks and quality assurance measures in place. everything is done by machine as much as possible these days to reduce turn around time, and assure accuracy from model to model. while they are handled by hand and have some fit and finish accomplished by hand, they are largely done by machineing. production cg peices are limited to the production options specified by the original sale of the knife.
the custom shop spends much more time inspecting for fit and finish, and has essentially an unlimited number of options available to the buyer for an extra charge. There is a lot more that is done on the knife by hand, becuase they have a staff dedicated to working on individual orders, rather then working on production sets.
Generally speaking you will find that the custom shop models have options that the cg models do not, and that their fit and finish will be more pleasing to the eye.
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My question is if they dont have the for expample HOGFSH in stock can you order the combat grade, or do you have to custom order it?
I won't argue about the hand finish and/or inspection, but the custom shop logo they don't have. At least the latest incarnations of SJTAC LE, FBM LE and BATAC LEs. While they certainly are what many consider "semi-production" or "semi-customs" (the ol' is the glass half full or half empty question), in the Busse marketing scheme they aren't treated as customs, hence no custom logo.
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The HOGFSH is no long in production. As a result of this, you technically can't order it through the production shop, you would have to order as a custom piece.
Sometimes there are extra blanks or extra knives in the shop from previous runs, but I'm not sure if that is the case anymore. I once ordered a satin assault shaker that came with a super thin edge on it that way. I wanted an assault shaker, and that was the one they had available, so thats what I got to order
If they don't have any blanks or any of that model present in the shop, then they would have to cut the blank and grind it from begining to end.
You can request combat grade options for your customs, such as standard scales and black crinkle coat. You will be paying custom prices however, wich are roughly estimated at 100$ per inch, depending on the options you choose. If you get a fusion steel heart and want the handle flown with mag scales installed with a custom grip pattern, a bottle opener talon hole, have the spine done nuclear with full 3/2 style serrations along the top edge, have flying style serrations done along the main edge with a full recurve main edge, and have it be a hollow ground main grind with a convexed zero edge - your lookin at considerably more then 100$ inch.
I think thats all fairly accurate... I don't speak for busse combat in any way, thats just what I've seen over the years.