Custom vrs. Production, Sole authorship and etc.

not2sharp

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This arguement has been going on for too long, and although it's good to see that many of us are willing to invest a high level of energy in the discussion, I am not sure we have moved any closer to a solution.

This is a fresh thread. Lets use it to discuss possible solutions.
 
Not2Sharp, as you have stated very clearly many times that you are Only interested in knife quality and don't care about the words custom or sole-authorship or collectable and give no value to these qualities, I can understand why you might have a hard time understanding the passion this topic arouses in knifemakers and Some knifecollectors. The solution to the 'problem' (not everyone thinks there is a problem) must come from the KnifeMakers Guild. Not this forum.

Since my interest in is collecting handmade art, authorship means a lot to me. The name Winkler for example, would lose almost all of its meaning for me if Dan was to start paying other folks to make knives like his. Dan Winkler makes unique creations that are simultaneously great knives, and great useable art. He will never go into a 'production mode' of course, but I hope you can sort of my point. You may not appreciate the little eccentricities that make each of Dan's knives unique, but I an others do.

I truly think any method of knife construction is allright as long as the customer knows what he wants and the maker is honest about the means of production. New technology is making is possible to make knives faster and cheaper, and maybe even better. However, for membership in the KnifeMakers Guild to mean anything for customers, I think it need to draft some clear language about how it defines appropriate methods of knife construction. I am particularly concerned about paying others to perform work that the customer probably assumes the knifemaker did (eg. blade grinding), and disclosure about using CNC mills to grind blades.

None of these concerns necessarily relate only to the quality of a 'custom' knife as a knife. But they are of great concern to collectors of handmade art. It is clear that both collectors and makers are increasingly concerned about the practices of some. There is nothing we can say here that will solve anything. But hopefully we can get the members of the Knifemakers Guild thinking about what Guild membership really means. Ultimately, the solution to the problem will have to come from the Guild.

Paracelsus
 
Based on our discussion to date it seems that the primary concern for knifemakers and collectors alike is that knives, manufactured by some other process, may be presented and sold as solely authored knives. We disagree on a specific definition, and hold different opinions on which factors should be weighted more heavily. But, we agree that makers have a clear responsibility for communicating honestly with their customers.

My suggestion would be that the Guild should publish an annual yearbook in which each member is profiled. Aside from contact information, a illustration of the logo they use, a small bio, and a couple of pictures of their knives; their production technique should be described in some detail. It would also include information on their average backlog, and whether they are open to producing customer generated designs, and a customer feedback rating [feedback cards would be delivered to customers with every knife - and the cards would be addressed care of the guild].

The information would come from the Guild members with the understanding that they may be subject to penalties, including possible ejection from the Guild, if they either fail to supply information or intentionally lie. It would be presented in a matter of fact form with no direct assignation on the handmade/custom/production issue. Each reader would be left to draw their own conclusions based on their own personal bias.

The whole package should be structured to have 1 page of information per each voting guild member, and made available on line and in CD-ROM.

This would provide a resource to ensure that we all have a clear understanding about how our knives were made; as well as, create a powerful marketing tool for the Guild members, and a valuable reference catalog for future collectors. The Guild would benefit from an added sense of purpose and the additional income.

N2S
 
Para,

I respect your views. I suspect that someday I too may see my perspective on knives sliding from tool aspect over to the art side. We are not going to resolve anything here. But, perhaps we can generate some constructive thoughts, and find alternative for dealing with our concerns.

N2S
 
not2sharp- That is a great idea, but what would keep a maker from hiding his true methods? Surprise Inspections?

Regardless, I like the idea for all the other reasons.
 
Marion,

If there is anything, that we have learned on this forum, it is that the truth will ultimately come out. :)

N2S
 
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