Cutco rep coming, thinks their hunting knife is better than my Busse

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So a Cutco rep called me up to make an appointment for their pitch. I am familiar with their knives, and actually like their steak knives. I know the steel and knives in general are crap. I decided to make the appointment for S ang Gs. The guy sounded quite cocky, so I'll be more than happy to put his knives in their place, although I'll try to go easy on him. He knows I like the outdoors, and plans on bringing their hunting knife, thinking it's better than anything I currently have. I intend to put his demo hunting knife against my Boss Jack and see what happens. I just need ideas on what sort of test I can do. Maybe chopping through a 2X4?

My kitchen knives are CPM-S35VN and razor sharp so I have confidence they'll beat out Cutco's fancy serrated edges.
 
do some tip pops :)

The thing where you stab the knife in a 2x4 and pop out a little piece of wood, see how many times it can do it before it bends.
 
If you want a true comparison, compare their non-serrated knives to yours. Cutco uses 440A, so that shouldn't be a huge challenge.

You could take this as an opportunity to educate him on different steels.
 
I actually was hired and did the training for the company that sells cutco knives. During their interview pitch I was just flabbergasted at the claims and arrogance (hell, my 60 pocket knife could preform these "amazing feats" just as easily) but thought it must have just been cause the girl was new. I then went to training. The guy was one of the most patronizing people I've ever met. The things they touted about the steel etc. were unbelievable.

I Might have to start believing though...
 
Please remember that the people selling cutco knives had to buy the knives themselves. Ruining the knife is destroying thier personal poperty. And odds are if they are selling cutco, they don't have very much money in the first place.

You can make your point, but when it comes to ruining another person's property, especially when they need that property to make money to pay for their food, you cross a line.

Don't ruin a person's day. Don't ruin a person's chance at making a living. In other words, don't be an a**h***.

If whatever point you are trying to make is important, BUY THE KNIFE FIRST - then destroy the one that comes in the mail.
 
Los Angeles said:
Don't ruin a person's day. Don't ruin a person's chance at making a living. In other words, don't be an a**h***.
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+1

The guy may be cocky and arrogant but he is selling knives for a living. I think that alone ought to garner a bit of respect from this crowd.

CutCo knives are 440C which isn't exactly garbage compared to what 95% of knives in kitchens across America are made of....which brings us full circle to his arrogance (considering his product is better than most knives owned by people he has presented to).

You are appreciating some of the finest cutlery made (your knife)...don't be arrogant because of it, lest you will be exactly what you mock.

No offense, but think about it;)
 
Reminds me of when a gal came over to a friends house to give the whole routine. I think she was new to it and it was under the premise of being a "trial" run for her. Though I think the girl was serious in her sales pitch and thought we would be interested. We were all polite even though we were lied to about it being a trial run/practice for the girl. We all worked at a knife shop (When I lived in Anchorage) and were laughing in our minds cause we knew steels, etc. Again, we were respectful but it's hard to listen to a CutCo sales pitch when 10 feet away, in your buddy's kitchen window is a full set of William Henry kitchen knives. :)

If you are interested in their steak knives, I would be honest in the beginning and let him know that the steak knives are all you want. If he would like to share the outdoor portion of their knives, you could inform him about Busse knives. I know it would appear fun or would be hilarious to put him in his place, but too many people are jerks these days. Show him Busse and the attitude/family appeal that comes with Busse knives. Hopefully he's not a pushy salesman though as they are a BIG pet peeve of mine.
 
unit said:
+1

The guy may be cocky and arrogant but he is selling knives for a living. I think that alone ought to garner a bit of respect from this crowd.

CutCo knives are 440C which isn't exactly garbage compared to what 95% of knives in kitchens across America are made of....which brings us full circle to his arrogance (considering his product is better than most knives owned by people he has presented to).

You are appreciating some of the finest cutlery made (your knife)...don't be arrogant because of it, lest you will be exactly what you mock.

No offense, but think about it;)
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Cutco uses 440A and I have zero respect for any company or individual that lies or misrepresents their products to potential customers.
 
He is correct. It goes hand in hand with his opinion that George Washington was the smartest President in dealing with Nuclear defenses
 
INFI to 440A is apples to oranges, anyway. 440A in a thin blade will actually cut rope or cardboard for a long time, and it will be hard to get your BOSS Jack to cut soft material any "better" (meaning with as little resistance) if the 440A blade is significantly thinner than your Busse. It's possible to show that INFI holds an edge longer by controlled slice testing on rope or cardboard, but you'll likely be cutting a lot of rope or cardboard before the difference shows up, and again, you don't want to be competing against a significantly thinner blade in any kind of pressure-measurement test. Jim Ankerson demonstrates that in his edge-holding tests in the Reviews section. In Jim's testing for example, a 3V blade significantly outperforms an INFI blade in his pressure-monitored edge holding test, but the INFI blade is significantly thicker behind the edge. I've talked with Jim about this, and he doesn't think that's a factor in categorizing the two steels, but personally I don't see how it can't affect that kind of comparison. If one blade is thinner than the other, in my mind the thinner one is going to require less pressure to penetrate any media like rope, that must be forced apart by the penetration.

Showing that the thicker INFI blade will take much more stress is a no-brainer, but as mentioned, it can't be effectively demonstrated without pushing the inferior steel blade to destruction alongside it.

Bottom line, if I were going to prepare the Cutco rep to get his mind right going in, I would suggest he watch some of Noss's videos on destructive testing of INFI and ask if he thinks his blades will stand up to that, because that's where INFI shines. INFI's decent edge-holding doesn't stand on its own even against SR101, as we all know. It's INFI's ability to get hard enough to hold a decent edge and remain unbelievably tough in the face of tremendously greater stresses from impact and flex that makes it a super steel.
 
Okay, this brings back memories.

It is 1968 and I just graduated from high School and was going to spend my savings on a trip to Europe (hostels,etc.). So my high school mate was making money selling knives "the best in the world" and he sold me a Cutco 4" blade fixed (looked like a kitchen knife). I brought it to Europe in my knapsack, where it was stolen when I was sleeping during a 3 day rock concert in rural France.

Losing that Cutco was the best thing that ever happened to me :)
 
I bought a few cutco knives for the kitchen. They outcut my other kitchen knives, and even a razor sharp serrated spyderco.
I like them.
Even if its not zdp or m4, they work well.
 
Probably shouldn't be a tool about it. It's not what we're about here. We all know why we love Busses and you can probably guarantee this guy knew eff all about knives before he got a job selling them for cutco. He may be a cocky salesman, goodness knows we all hate them, but we shouldn't stoop to that level and be a cocky know it all as well. You've made the appointment, smile and nod and send him on his way. Or buy the hunting knife and have some fun with it. It is what it is.
 
Morrow said:
Cutco uses 440A and I have zero respect for any company or individual that lies or misrepresents their products to potential customers.
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I stand corrected.

I was not aware that they lie or misrepresent their products.
 
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