Cutting test - Air cut loose end 1/2inch sisal rope

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I've two goals for this test

1. To get an idea the factor of rope attributes in dulling a knife.
1a. strength/hardness + toughness/resilent/elastic
1b. abrasive/wear

2. How production & my blades perform within the context of this test and no more than that.

Setup pic (1/2" sisal rope feeds through a 1/2 hole in the wood, clamp to table)
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Air cut the loose end of the rope next to the wood (i.e. no backing). There will be quite a bit of lateral force in this kind of cutting, edge lateral deflection & scraping are the 2 major damaging physics to the blade apex. If the rope is abrasive, lateral rubbing/scraping will induce accelerated dulling affect, more than from the draw (normal/perdendicular) impact/saw. Strong+tough will quickly roll or chip the edge.

Knife performance result be measure by total length of rope cut. Test end when a knife consecutively fail three times to cut 2 of 3 strands of the 1/2 rope. Each cut consists of a draw stroke (i.e. pull or push but not both/sawing). Measurement begin when an edge has been adapted/tuned to this task. Really, there is no point to quickly roll an edge and declare this steel does poorly. I am looking for reasonably best possible edge geometry per specific steel against this task, not same bevel angle & grit for all steels.

If each test take way too much time & rope, I'll abandon this test. Since the answer is rope neither hard nor tough nor abrasive.

I've a few production knives for baseline, however blade profile & geometry will have variations:
bm: 940 s30v; pardue d2. spyderco: cf zdp-189, endura vg-10. paring sg-2, paring skd-11

Knives I made for baseline (same profile):
s90v, 20cv/m390, d2/k110, (maybe later on s110v, elmax, cpm-154, k390)

Recent super quenched knives:
52100, CruforgeV

Interested/suggestions/BC-stop-spam-BF? I would like to hear from you :thumbup:
 
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I was about to say different edge geometry will vary the test, but realized this test is on a non wedging medium with no cutting board impact.
So it seems the apex grit and steel wear are main contributing factor.

Interested to know the result
 
Chris "Anagarika";13536566 said:
I was about to say different edge geometry will vary the test, but realized this test is on a non wedging medium with no cutting board impact.
So it seems the apex grit and steel wear are main contributing factor.

Interested to know the result

Handle/grip ergos could come into play as well - lateral stability can change quite a bit from one knife to the next depending on how it fits the hand.

Am interested in the test - David Martin among others has performed very similar testing on a number of knife steels/edge finishes - it can involve a lot of work and outlay for rope, thanks (in advance) for doing it.
 
** A copy of an email I sent last night **

I tried to use Benchmade 940 S30V to establish a baseline. Finished edge on a DMT E edge, smoothly slice newsprint.

This knife still able cut 3 rope strands fairly cleanly after 100 ft of rope. 100ft => 1200 inches * avg 3 cuts per inch = ~3600 cuts. This confirmed what I found earlier in my BF '12 steels wear resistance test' thread, that 1/2 rope is not abrasive nor super hard+tough. Pic show 5" tall mount of shredded rope from this knife alone.

Currently, this edge still slice newsprint but with a few catches. I believe those catches were resulted from my mis-cuts into the wood.

Number wise. 1/2" rope has area 0.2 sq inch(sqi). Whereas 5/8" rope has area 0.3" sqi. So 3600 cuts of 1/2" rope, is roughly about 2400 cuts of 5/8" rope. Jim Ankerson rope cutting test subject the edge to highly destructive impact forces (normal/perpendicular + lateral + twist) into the wood backing. Edge geometry + cutting technique + fatigue would heavily influence Jim's result. I think, slicing 1/4" square abrasive (those with extra silicate) wood peg would provide more useful data, since rope (ok at least sisal, Jim uses manila) is not abrasive enough to conduct meaningful tests.
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For now, I've suspended (to be abandon altogether) this test... Unless there are questions or suggestions on how to meaningful continuation.

Best thanks,

==Blunt
 
I agree with you,,, I did a rope cutting test a few years back (cutting sisal rope with no backing),,, I found it pretty meaningless other than proving a mirror polished edge could do it (a lot).
 
Tired of working, so I hacked-up some stuff with my 8.5" 52100 blade. funny bone :p
[video=youtube_share;wCPN2NcY8Fs]http://youtu.be/wCPN2NcY8Fs[/video]
 
** this thread is truncated, so OT to extend its life a little :cool: **

Yes, it is a super quenched 52100 blade I mentioned in my other thread. Specs: 1/8" thick, 8.5" blade, OAL 13.75", 11 oz, 0.018" behind the edge thickness, about 32* inclusive angle.

A close up looks of the most damaged edge (other 2 spots are about half the amount of damage). From the pic, the deepest damage depth seems around 0.25mm. I guess - Impulse/impact forces in chopping physics will be much greater than opening a can with puncture then push cut.
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Chris "Anagarika";13564952 said:
It's a tough one but you seem to be having fun! :D
Is it one of the super quenched 52100? :thumbup: :eek:
 
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