D2 & CPM154 & S30V & 9CR18MoV/440C?

afishhunter

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For best results with 9CR18MoV/440C, D2, CPM54, and S30V:
1) Toothey (400/1000 grit) or polished (greater/finer than 1000 grit) edge?
2) Is 15 DPS (30 degrees inclusive) too acute?

The knives are folders (only the S30V is an single blade) used for slicing/cutting/peeling critters, and possibly whittlin' a point on a pencil, a emergency tent stake, or an hotdog/sausage/marshmallow stick, or whittlin' or carving a feather stick. No chopping or splitting wood (I got a axe and wedges for that} or bone (I got a saw for that.).

Thanks in advance.
 
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My opinion on toothy or polished has evolved, currently I go for toothy edges finishing with different stones, from 600 (playing with s30v) to 1000 / 1200 / 1500 for those other types you reference.
With exceptions (thin grind slicers), all folders get 40 degrees inclusive, but for a season I ran them at 30. Pete from Cedric n Ada uses 34 inclusive for rope cutting.
 
For refining S30V & D2, I like anything diamond.

On S30V, anything in the 325 - 1200 range, chosen to your edge preference in diamond, will leave some degree of toothy bite. With my own S30V knives, I tend to hone them with the 600 most of the time, and this steel becomes one of the simplest of all to maintain with that alone.

On D2, it can polish very well beyond that, using diamond compounds at 3 micron and finer on hardwood - the 3 micron is where a mirror polish starts to come up fast. Again, choose the finish according to your preference. Many will say that D2 doesn't take or 'like' a polished edge - but it certainly does respond well, if that polish is done with diamond on a hard substrate. That's where I've left most of mine in D2, with a polished finish done with 3µ diamond on hard, tight-grained wood. I emphasize diamond on hardwood, because a softer substrate tends to introduce more edge-rounding issues in D2, due to the steel's very large chromium carbides. You want something capable of cleanly shaping those carbides while using the lightest touch possible - which is why diamond/hardwood works so well with it for polishing.

The 440C/9Cr steels will respond to most anything manmade. SiC eats it for breakfast, making heavy grinding a breeze (this is true for D2 as well). And for refinement beyond the grit rating of most SiC stones, good quality aluminum oxide stones and polishing compounds will handle it well. 440C is my threshold at which natural stones (like Arkansas) struggle and stop working well - so I limit work with it to the synthetic stones.

With most any steel I've ever tried, a good quality diamond hone in the ~600 range will leave some great toothy bite. If I were limited to using or carrying only one hone for all needs, I'd carry a 600 diamond. When I mention 'good quality', I mainly refer to DMT's hones, which I like because they're better than any I've tried in minimizing burring issues from the get-go, leaving edges needing little, if any, stropping afterward.

For edge angle, I NEVER use anything wider than 30° inclusive. And the 'sweet spot' for all my knives is narrower than that, at around 25° inclusive, no matter the steel type. I have a few that have been taken narrower, to somewhere between 20° - 25° inclusive. For some very specific uses, they're great cutters - but they start to become more vulnerable to edge damage at angles below 25° inclusive. So I tend to 'baby' those edges a bit. The upside to these thin edges is, they will tune up very easily on a bare strop, if/when the edge rolls a bit.
 
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I like a polish on D2 and the others I like more toothy, especially 154cm and S30V. Dont have much experience with 9cr, have only sharpened one kitchen knife using this steel.

In general, a toothy edge will have the best edge retention but it will not always cut the best, so IMO it is best to sharpen for the task. If you are cutting rope a toothy edge tens to offer more control and aggression allowing you to cleanly slice the rope. If you are in the kitchen and need to make fine cuts in raw meats then I would polish the edge making it extremely sharp and smooth so it does not damage the meat. Different knives for different tasks = different needs.
 
For any type of dedicated whittling, I prefer something on the polished end of the spectrum.

For critter processing, I prefer a medium toothy edge, such as I get with medium to extra fine diamond plates. This is also what I prefer for all around use.

I always finish with diamond, whether it’s a plate or strop (except for straight razors), unless it’s for my co workers. They’re just happy to have an edge they can shave arm hair with, and scared of cutting themselves with. Silicon carbide oil finish is good for them.

Sharpened angle depends on the steel, heat treat and use, generally the lower the better. 30 degrees inclusive is a good starting place. Mine range from about 14 to 35.
 
here a little description of D2 and 44C:

440Chas the highest hardness of all stainless and heat resistant steels and is used for nozzles and bearings. 440F is a steel grade that improves the easy cutting properties of 440C steel and is used for automatic lathes. Martensitic stainless steel has the same characteristics of hardening by quenching as alloy steel, so a wide range of different mechanical properties can be obtained by selecting the grade and heat treatment conditions.

D2 steel is a high carbon – high chromium air hardening tool steel, heat treatable to 60-62 HRC. D2 offers excellent wear and abrasion resistance, due to large volumes of carbides in the micro-structure. D2 steel is widely used in long production cold work applications requiring very high wear resistance and high compression strength. It is machinable in the annealed condition, and, like other air hardening tool steels, exhibits minimal distortion in heat treat. D2 steel is available in de-carb free rounds, flats, and squares, as well as ground flat stock and drill rod.
 
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