D2 vs. CPM 420V

Eric Isaacson

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I did a search for this but there was actually too much info to search through. So here is my question, I am not very familar with either of these if you were ordering a Custom folder which would you prefer D2 or CPM 420V and Why?
BTW, the folder will be for everyday use, but no chopping or anything like that.
Thanks
Eric
 
I like um both!
D2 takes a wicked edge and is a tough steel.
I like the semi ss effect and the more carbon steel like edge!
Cpm 420v takes a slightly less wicked edge but is strong, tough and more stain resistant
There both great.


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I have custom folders with 420V, D2, 52100, and carbon damascus blades. I like them all.

For a daily carry folder, 420V is hard to beat given its superior stain resistance compared to D2. A D2 folder may be significantly cheaper, because some makers charge a lot more for 420V blades (cost of materials and time to finish) compared to other blade steels. Either will work great.

Paracelsus
 
Thanks Darrel and Para for the info. I appreciate you taking the time to answer this since I'm sure it has been discussed extensively before.
Thanks again
Eric
 
I am firmly with 420V (CPM S90V) over D2 when considering the steel for a folder. The added resistance to oxidation is a major plus when you consider the wear and tear of a folding mechanism and all the nooks and crannies involved. D2 is a great, tough steel, but does tend to stain without proper maintenance.

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James Segura
San Francisco, CA
 
disagreeing with DDR and agreeing with the above.....420V has a much finer grain structure than D2 and takes a keener edge and holds it for a lot longer. D2 rusts a lot easier than many think.....although I understand Crucible is making a D2 with considerably more chromium in it.

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John 1:14
 
Agreeing with DDR - new version of D-2 seems to have better stain/rust resistance than before - like D-2 edge better than 420V's(have 420v blades from both DDR & Kit for comparison) & easier to sharpen - check out thread below on DDR's 5" D-2 Scorpion - both are very good & will be more than satisfactory.

http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/002083.html

Bill

[This message has been edited by PENGUIN (edited 02-13-2001).]
 
Agreeing with Bill The newer D2 is much nicer steel. I am thrilled with it.

As for cheaper about the same in price depending on the way it is purchased.

For sub annealed flat stock D2 is expensive.

I like um both.. Once agin if you like a carbon type of edge D2 is for you. If you like a more stainless type of edge Cpm 420v is for you ..
It depends on the purpose of the knife!


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eaisaacs:

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Both of these are among the most brittle of the current high end cutlery steels. D2 has less than half the impact toughness of A2 at the same RC (60). A2 is hardly the toughest steel either, O1 is tougher than it, 5160 tougher than O1, L6 tougher than 5160 etc. CPM-420 is probably slightly more brittle than D2.

In regards to use, well it depends on what you are cutting and how much force you are using. On soft materials like foods, rope, wood and cardboard you will not have any problems, but they will chip out easily on even soft metals (staples) especially if there are twisting motions. Gritty or dirty material can also cause blade fractures as well.

Of course you can get around the low toughness by altering the heat treat (basically lowering the RC), or the geometry (make it thicker), but then you end up with a weaker steel that impacts readily and a blade that cuts poorly because of the excessive thickness. You are much better off switching to another steel.

They are however for much the same reasons very high in regards to wear resistance and strength. CPM-420V having a large lead in regards to wear resistance and probably strength unless you get someone who heat treats their D2 at about 62 RC, as 420V is hard to get over 59. If the D2 is also about 60 RC then CPM-420 will probably be stronger due to the much finer grain and thus will have a large lead in edge retention unless chipping is a factor.

420V also has a large lead in regards to corrosion resistance. D2 while resting rust better than many tool steels will still rust readily if in contact with seawater for example. 420V can resist damage under these conditions for a much longer period of time.

The finer grain structure of CPM-420V also means that it will take a higher edge polish. So if you prefer ultra polished edges this could be a factor. You can easily get D2 to nicely shave however but the large grain size and carbides will prevent it from obtaining the same level as 420V. However you need considerable skill in sharpening to polish and edge to such a level so as to be able to tell the difference.

In regards to what I would pick, I would chose the maker over the steel, but if offered a steel choice, and the maker was familiar with both steels I would pick CPM-420V for the better edge retention and corrosion resistance. D2 however is likely to be a *lot* cheaper.

-Cliff
 
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