Dagger

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Though you guys might find this interesting... I have been planning this for a long time, but finally busted it out. Big thanks to Mr Bill for his advice before hand.

I did some reading before hand (I even bought a book) and found out some interesting stuff about the history of this design and mentality. This, to me, seems like a knife that is designed about an idea. The knife design changed a little and the idea was refined and they learned how to better design and build the knives to fit the idea. Of course this is what lead to the A/F style daggers.

Of course as a Marine I went into it favoring the Raider Dagger even though I knew very little about it.

The Marine Raider's knife and the F/S are very similar. The Raider's knives handles where cast outta some kinda zinc junk that likes to eat it's self and fall apart. As a result most of them are in poor shape these days.

I have been reading the book that Wilkinsons Swords of UK fame put about about their work on the F/S daggers. They talk about the Shanghai Knives that inspired the F/S designs and according to this book W.E. Fairbairn received a knife from Yeaton and Moore, both United States Marines in 1933.

Lt.Col. Yeaton was the Commanding Officer of 3rd Marine Raiders Bn in 1943. So maybe they all sprang from the same roots....

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Quite an education it's been....


Turns out that this knife does not cut very well, but it stabs like a freakin bullet though HOT butter! :munchin

11 3/4 inches over all, 6 3/4 inch blade, 1/4 thick, 15/16 wide. 10 1/2 oz

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Hard to get the damascus to show in the pics...

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A little work in progress video.. :)

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Thanks for looking!
 
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holy crap that is awesome!
 
Very nice dagger. I thought it looked heavy but 10.5 oz is ideal. A smart kydex carry system would complete the package. Thinking anatomically about the traditional silent assassin's preference for plunging the blade down behind the collar bone (clavicle) 6 3/4 in might be a bit short for a guaranteed quick kill in a less than perfect situation. Another 3/4 to 1 inch in blade length and the blade could reach the aortic arch almost every time regardless of body size. Otherwise the lung will be collapsed and/or the subclavian vein or artery might be hit. Neither of these will incapacitate a determined foe (at least for a while) whereas reaching the aorta will do the job quickly.

Naturally there are many other ways to effectively use a dagger like this for defense or offense. I mention the classic assassin's plunge because it goes way back in time. One of the most effective designs was the Italian Ear Dagger from 500+ years ago. The pommel was splayed so you could hook your thumb over it before executing the plunge. That way, the plunge is less likely to be thwarted by hitting a bone. I hope somebody will revive the concept some day in modern form. Anyway, sorry to digress but your dagger is definitely interesting and at least to me it seems like you're onto a promising idea. Thanks for putting this out there for those who have interest.
 
Amazing craftsmanship! Damascus looks great, what steel is the blade?
 
Very nice dagger. I thought it looked heavy but 10.5 oz is ideal. A smart kydex carry system would complete the package. Thinking anatomically about the traditional silent assassin's preference for plunging the blade down behind the collar bone (clavicle) 6 3/4 in might be a bit short for a guaranteed quick kill in a less than perfect situation. Another 3/4 to 1 inch in blade length and the blade could reach the aortic arch almost every time regardless of body size. Otherwise the lung will be collapsed and/or the subclavian vein or artery might be hit. Neither of these will incapacitate a determined foe (at least for a while) whereas reaching the aorta will do the job quickly.

Naturally there are many other ways to effectively use a dagger like this for defense or offense. I mention the classic assassin's plunge because it goes way back in time. One of the most effective designs was the Italian Ear Dagger from 500+ years ago. The pommel was splayed so you could hook your thumb over it before executing the plunge. That way, the plunge is less likely to be thwarted by hitting a bone. I hope somebody will revive the concept some day in modern form. Anyway, sorry to digress but your dagger is definitely interesting and at least to me it seems like you're onto a promising idea. Thanks for putting this out there for those who have interest.


I didnt try to over think the nuts and bolts of it, I just took Fairburn and Sykes at their word. I have never taken out a sentry with a knife, and odds are I never will! :)

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I love the old WW2 training pics! :)
 
I've always liked the Fairburn/Sykes shape and you took it to a whole new level. That damascus handle is VERY cool and the fuller in the blade gives it a lethal look!

GREAT looking dagger Les!

Peter
 
Les, you iz da craziest guy I know. Way too much time around things that go "boom".

Great job my friend. I'll see you in Atlanta.

Robert
 
Beautiful looking rendition. Thanks for the extra history and the photos. That's great!
 
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