Damascus Dagger

Phillip Patton

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This one's been sitting around for months, waiting for me to decide how to finish the handle. I hope someone out there likes my decision enough to buy it. :D
This is the first time I've done a butterfly pattern. I like it. I wonder why we don't see it more often. :confused:

Steel: 1084/15n20, about 400 layers

Blade length: 13-1/2"

Total length: 19-1/4"

Handle material: White paracord

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Any comments are welcome.
 
Are you sure that's a dagger? Looks like a sword to me!;):D
Very nice Phillip:thumbup:
 
I love that blade, too, both the shape and the pattern. And Phillip, you'ld probably see more of the butterfly if more of us knew how it was done....(hint)

John
 
Any time I ever draw a sword that is the pattern of damascus I put on it and it is just wow. I like the handle good sort of contrast between havin such a beautiful blade and a handle that doesn't try to take away from the blade saying "LOOK AT ME; I AM BEAUTIFUL" :D

Great job Mr. Patton and great price I do say so too when I say it for sale, wish i hadn't said I'm only going to buy Bagwells from now on :p
 
Like the blade, beautiful damascus, but I would prefer a real handle instead of paracord.

Nice work!:thumbup:

Kind regards,

Jos
 
I am not a big dagger fan but this blade has just enough Gladius in it to really catch my eye. Really fantastic looking blade. I can take or leave the para cord
 
That's beautiful Phillip!

I'd like it even more with something like elephant ivory on the handle... but it's beautiful just how it is. Does the butterfly pattern refer to the steel or the blade profile? I can see it in both.

Not sure if the steel is perfect for the profile, or the profile is perfect for the steel... ;) but it all has a nice harmony to it. :thumbup:
 
That's beautiful Phillip!

I'd like it even more with something like elephant ivory on the handle... but it's beautiful just how it is. Does the butterfly pattern refer to the steel or the blade profile? I can see it in both.

Don Fogg once told me that he created the Shiv series with the HOPE that some enterprising and motivated collector would tear off the lacing that he did over the wood cores and give the whole knife a proper finishing.....in that particular case, I was of the opinion that the way Don did them was just fine.;)

In this particular case, imo, the piece calls out for bronze or stainless fittings and ironwood, ivory or flamed maple scales.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Whoa, that thing is beautiful and I for one like the cord wrapped handle on this. It would be more beautiful in Ivory or a nice wood but that cord would make me want to go out and swing it at stuff. Kind of gives it a more user friendly look (IE: I'd feel more inclined to wack stuff with it with that cord wrap than say IVORY or real expensive wood).
 
Love the style, the damascus and the blade but that cord really has to go and make way for something more befitting like ivory or wood.

Marcel
 
Phillip,

I like it, but I think silk would be more appropriate than paracord, and white isn't a great color for wrap because it stains so quickly.. Also, the wrapping / knot work is not to the level of the damascus and grinding. Some threads cross over, others don't, etc. It just needs to be super clean to work well. I also wouldn't mind seeing some color accent under the wrap, menuki style - either a piece of stainless, or bronze, or white micarta, etc.

This would work well with a handle, but it would obviously change the whole look & balance thing. Personally, I like the wrap (if clean :D).

As a side issue the picture is badly underexposed if the wrap is meant to be white.
 
I will continue flogging a dead horse with the paracord.
Beautiful piece that just needs a beautiful handle.
 
I love that blade, too, both the shape and the pattern. And Phillip, you'ld probably see more of the butterfly if more of us knew how it was done....(hint)

John

I got the directions for butterfly pattern from Jim Hrisoulas' book on damascus. It's just a modified ladder pattern. Instead of perpendicular lines like ladder rungs, you make a series of X's all down the blade, making sure they're staggered on the two surfaces.


Nick Wheeler said:
That's beautiful Phillip!

I'd like it even more with something like elephant ivory on the handle... but it's beautiful just how it is. Does the butterfly pattern refer to the steel or the blade profile? I can see it in both.

Not sure if the steel is perfect for the profile, or the profile is perfect for the steel... ;) but it all has a nice harmony to it. :thumbup:

Thank you sir, I kind of like it myself. :)

"Butterfly refers to the pattern, but I agree that the pattern and blade shape compliment each other very well. I can't remember if I did that on purpose. Let's just say I did. :D ;)



Kohai999 said:
Don Fogg once told me that he created the Shiv series with the HOPE that some enterprising and motivated collector would tear off the lacing that he did over the wood cores and give the whole knife a proper finishing.....in that particular case, I was of the opinion that the way Don did them was just fine.;)

In this particular case, imo, the piece calls out for bronze or stainless fittings and ironwood, ivory or flamed maple scales.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

STeven,
Would you see this as being full tang, like it is, with bolsters, or hidden tang, with a guard?



Joss said:
Phillip,

I like it, but I think silk would be more appropriate than paracord, and white isn't a great color for wrap because it stains so quickly.. Also, the wrapping / knot work is not to the level of the damascus and grinding. Some threads cross over, others don't, etc. It just needs to be super clean to work well. I also wouldn't mind seeing some color accent under the wrap, menuki style - either a piece of stainless, or bronze, or white micarta, etc.

This would work well with a handle, but it would obviously change the whole look & balance thing. Personally, I like the wrap (if clean :D).

As a side issue the picture is badly underexposed if the wrap is meant to be white.


You're absolutely right about the wrap not being very good. I realized that and re-wrapped it friday. I think it's better. Pictures below.

I coated the cord with epoxy, hoping that that would help with staining issues. We'll see.

I haven't yet aquired any silk cord, but I'd sure like to. What color do you think would go well with this piece?
The reason I used white was, I saw a Bailey Bradshaw katana with white silk wrap, and I just thought it was the most beautiful katana I'd seen, and I wanted to try it on something.

Anyway, this project and thread has been very educational for me. I appreciate the compliments and comments from every one of you. Thank you!

I'll certainly do it different on the next one, but, since this one sold in less than 5 hours, I don't think this was too bad. ;)
 
Here's the pictures. The epoxy darkened the cord somewhat, but hopefully will minimize any staining, or at least help in cleanup.

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This piece was intended to be a companion to this bronze sword I made last year. I originally wanted to make the sword with a handle wrapped like this damascus piece, but with leather instead of paracord. But at the time I didn't know how to make turks head knots so I used camel bone instead. The sword looks the same size as the dagger, but it's actually about 30" long.

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