Damascus? Leo Damascus?

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Hey guys, I am new to the forum and have a couple of questions.

I am a toolmaker by trade, but I am very interested in custom knives. I'm pretty sure that I don't have the correct tooling necessary to build knives, although I could probably make something pretty close lol.

I am familiar with D2, A2, CPM, S7, and 01 (oil hardening) steels, and of course cold rolled or hot rolled. I know about how to heat treat these metals and so forth. The one thing I don't know anything about is how Damascus or Pattern welded blades are made.

I am very interested in Damascus, because of its unique appearance and also its edge holding capability. I have done some reading on this subject, and have become very informed on the history and the chemical "process" of how it is made. However, I have not been able to find anything on the actual way it is done. For instance, What does the maker start with? From what I have read, the maker starts with "cakes" and I am guessing he heats them, uses an anvil in some way, and then "folds" the metal several times. It would be greatly appreciated if someone could explain this process in greater detail to me...

Also another question I have is this: I'm fairly sure that from what I have read, pattern welding is not the same thing as actual damascus. From what I understand it produces a very similar surface pattern but very dissimilar internal structure and makeup. Am I correct? Added to that, is Pattern welding as good as real damascus?

I am sure you all know of the quality of knives that can be bought, and one that I really like is the Boker Leo Damascus. I do want a folding knife, because I do not like fixed blade knives (I need something I can carry in my pocket.) I want the best, and this seems to be one of the best that I can find. I was just wondering if anyone knows the real story behind these knives...I mean are the really made in Solingen from the steel of a German battle tank barrel, are they pattern welded, are they worth the $400 I will probably pay, etc.

Thank you all for you replies.
 
As far as I know, Boker's Damascus is (or was) made by Markus Balbach:
http://www.schmiede-balbach.de/

What most people call "damascus" is pattern welded damascus. Pattern welded damascus is done by many custom makers.
Kevin Cashen has a nice explanation page (see picture in the end):
http://www.cashenblades.com/Info/Pattern welding.html

"Real" damascus is the indian version called "Wootz" and is completly different:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wootz

Wootz is a lot less common in knife making, one of the authorities on wootz (at least one of the most communicative) is Achim Wirtz (sometimes seen on this forum), he does a lot of pattern welded damascus too:
http://www.7knifedwarfs.com/aw/
(see may 26, 2005 post)
 
I have a Leo Damast III , with pyramid pattern damascus blade. It is really awesome, good looking and sturdy, but I don't plan to use it. For use I bought a Boker Turbine :)
 
Working with the LEO Damascus or forging just a blank of it is a lot of work!
I spoke to our damascus forger and he said even for him with his very well equipped shop, it is a sweaty job to work this premium damascus steel...
 
...I mean are the really made in Solingen from the steel of a German battle tank barrel, are they pattern welded, are they worth the $400 I will probably pay, etc.

Thank you all for you replies.


Yes, the famous german smith Markus Balbach makes this damascus for Boker. It's made from the barrel of the german Leopard I tank.

And the Eurofighter damascus ist also made by Markus Balbach from the Mauser maschine gun barrel of the Eurofighter jet. :thumbup:

These are great knives with a great damascus steel!
 
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