"Damascus?"

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I just picked up this vintage straight razor the other day (my first) for trying my hand at restoring. It is by Boker, an it says "damascus" over "magnetic steel." Funny thing is it does not look like damascus as I know it. It appears to be a single steel. If it is folded or layered with the same steel would it show the weld lines? Why do they call this damascus? I already posted over in the razor sub forum and have been doing some searching on SRP.com.

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What do you guys think?


-Xander
 
Probably a "trade" knife used to advertise a city. There are many cities in the US named Damascus. I have seen knives and other items with cities names on them. It does look great though.
 
Probably a "trade" knife used to advertise a city. There are many cities in the US named Damascus. I have seen knives and other items with cities names on them. It does look great though.

Now there's a thought. I have seen quite a few examples of razors with "damascus" as well as various other etchings on the blade, but never have seen one with another cities name on it.

Maybe marketing hype as well. This is interesting, I would like to figure this out.


-Xander
 
Just did a quick search and found several on ebay made in Germany And Sheffield. Looks like a marketing ploy like Stacy pointed out.
 
And those trees are Böker's trademark.
They (used to) advertise with: tree brand knives
 
It was the other members who were pointing that out, but to add to their notes:

DAMASCUS blades were mythical for several hundred years. Practically no one had one...no one had seen one....no one knew what they were or were not. All most people knew was that they would cut anvils in half, and then precede to slicing a falling silk scarf into confetti ....all with one gentle sweep. How did they know this????? - The people who used the term DAMASCUS on their advertising said so....thus it must be true.....they wouldn't lie, would they?
Since no one had a patent ,or even any real idea about damascus, the term was applied to many things as a selling hype. Sometimes it referred to a manufactured surface pattern (wire damascus shotgun barrels),sometimes to an engraved, machined, or etched pattern ( damascus/damascene on watch movements, fake "damascus" shotgun barrels, and metal work) ...., and sometimes to nothing at all ( damascus razors). Plain ordinary swords and knives....and razors..... had the term applied. The steel industry in Sheffield and Solingen well knew that the public would line up to buy a product named after such a legendary material. And there was no Internet to expose the hype, or government agencies to make them prove the claims.
IIRC, durring the late 1800's and early 1900's, Wilkinson marked a lot of swords and things DAMASCUS as well as implied it by using the "Star of Damascus" (a six pointed star which had no real meaning) on the blades. Most military swords still bear this star for no reason than hype - to imply that the steel is of superior quality.


Some razor facts:
A straight razor was a necessity of like. Every man had one..... or most likely several.
Every man hated shaving with one.
Every man wanted a closer shave with fewer nicks.
Along came marketing hype to fulfill his dreams.

A non-accurate statistic is - The planet is 50% men and 50% women...50% of those men shave at least part of their face....50% of those women shave some part of their anatomy.....
A very accurate statistic is - The razor industry is 100% aware of this.

Over roughly the past 100 years the razor has morphed from a straight thin edged blade
to a straight thin blade with a floating edge guard ( first "Safety Razors"
to a 1" piece of a straight razor in a handle
to a single edged thin piece of steel ( called a razor blade)
to a double edged thin piece of steel
to a single edged sliver of steel
stainless steel joined the party
blade holding technology went crazy
to a coated razor blade
to two blades
to three
to four
to ????who knows how many blades??
to blades that vibrate
Guy razors vs Girl razors.......
........and it will continue.

How many of us have a drawer somewhere with at least three or four different type of blades and/or handles in it?....and probably at least three electric razors we got as Christmas gifts.
Why - because we and those who buy gifts for us are all the target/victim of marketing hype.
We were probably perfectly happy with out old "Blue Blade" or "Injector" razors.
But we would feel behind in the times, .....no we would feel foolish....if we did not have the latest and greatest thing that TV hype was telling us about - long live Billy Mays.

A Fun Fact for the younger forumites to impress their friends with at your next gathering/party is -
If you are younger than 40, you may have never noticed that there is a small slit in the back of most medicine cabinets make prior to 1980 ( still is in some). It is a razor blade disposal slot. A blade lasted a few shaves at best, and was disposed of. The trash can was the normal place, but that was a worry to parents of small children, as well as the people who took out the trash. ( Today they would call it a Bio-Hazard) The answer was a small slit to slide the used blade through.......were did it go??? - Into the wall space ( which was as good as a black hole as far as never being seen again.). This slit was the marketing hype/ploy of the pre-fab medicine cabinet industry.
I have remodeled old bathrooms and pulled several thousand rusty blades from the hollow space in the wall below the medicine cabinet. If your house is over 50-60 years old and has a slot in the cabinet, it is a virtual guarantee that there are old blades in the wall.
 
WOW Stacy, you ARE the Yoda of Blade forums! Great insight i love the medicine cabinet history!!
 
Thanx Stacy! I figured it would be some sort of marketing hype. Trade knife just didn't seem to fit quite right. Yes the trees are a Boker trade mark and I have a tentative date of 1924 as the last year of this razors tang stamp being used. It doesn't fit the description exactly, but is the closest I have found. Apparently H.Böker & Co. Razors are some really nice ones to shave with, and are collected frequently.

Now your description of medicine cabinets explains a lot. I work in construction and have found piles of DE blades inside the walls before, usually as a large rusty lump. Interesting facts.


-Xander
 
Thanks Stacy!

I just bought a couple of old razors at the flea market, I may try to redo or restore them.
 
Just a little side info:
You may want to look up Böker knives on the net.
In German it may also be spelled: Boeker
The E after the O means that there should be two dots on that letter (A O U) It is called an 'Umlaut' and is seen as a different letter.
 
Yeah I have a couple Böker knives, but this is the first razor I got by them. I also picked up a Case and Dixon brand at the same time. A local antique dealer is a knife nut as well and he is very reasonable with his prices, unusual for an antique dealer. He also had a pristine MOP handled corn razor that I may go back and get. He keeps a stash of "needs work" knives in back and let's me go through them. Its a neat store.

Thanx for all the info guys, this one will be going in the vibratory tumbler this week for a few days and then new scales after that. It has poorly done home made scales with nails for pins now, so it needs a little work. I will be sending it off for honing and sharpening though, I know I can't do that properly.

Maybe I will put a few pics up here when done.


-Xander

P.S. Daniel, I saw those two I-XL razors you got, the blades looked pretty bad in the pictures but I think they would be cool when you get them done!
 
Yeah I have a couple Böker knives, but this is the first razor I got by them. I also picked up a Case and Dixon brand at the same time. A local antique dealer is a knife nut as well and he is very reasonable with his prices, unusual for an antique dealer. He also had a pristine MOP handled corn razor that I may go back and get. He keeps a stash of "needs work" knives in back and let's me go through them. Its a neat store.

Thanx for all the info guys, this one will be going in the vibratory tumbler this week for a few days and then new scales after that. It has poorly done home made scales with nails for pins now, so it needs a little work. I will be sending it off for honing and sharpening though, I know I can't do that properly.

Maybe I will put a few pics up here when done.


-Xander

P.S. Daniel, I saw those two I-XL razors you got, the blades looked pretty bad in the pictures but I think they would be cool when you get them done!

Cool! Yeah they are pretty trashed, I will probably just work on the one with the chipped blade, it may be save-able. Lol they were cheap so no big loss. I mostly got them to see how they worked and to copy the rough pattern, I like how simple they are for folders.

Post up some WIP pics! I want to see some! :D
 
I bought mine for the exact same reasons. If I remember to take some pics during the work I will post them here for sure. I thought of trying to make one myself, but want to get a few restorations under my belt first. This one is going to get bamboo scales and I think the Case one will get carbon fiber/kevlar scales with the original wedge. I need a new blade for my wood band saw first though.


-Xander
 
I am one of those weirdos that likes shaving:eek: and have at last count 17 razors in my cabinet:o All of them old DE safety razors and nothing newer than 1962 with the oldest being from 1921. I use to hate shaving because of the razor burn I would get from the multi bladed cartridge razors. When I switched over to traditional wet shaving with brush soap and an old DE it was a dream come true. I haven't made the switch to straights yet and don't think I will, but if anyone has an old DE Gillette kicking around and don't want it feel free to send it to me I will give it the love it needs:D

Stacy I actually have some old Blue Blades (the carbon steel ones) in in their dispenser from 1949, there about 5 of the 10 left and don;'t have any rust on them if you really miss them:p
 
I left off shaving with my Mach 3 a year ago. I started wet shaving with a GEM 1912, progressed through a GEM OCMM, and now use a straight. I started restoring blades a few months ago, and now I'm working on my first razors. I actually got my blanks back from the machine shop today. My little band saw wouldn't touch the 5/16" O1. Lol. WIP pics on straightrazorplace.com under "Brian's First Blade".

I guess the point is, get it honed and learn to shave with it. It's a fun time!
 
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