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What do you guys recommend for nasty, vicious dog replellent? My wife was out walking the poodle in more than 1 foot of snow. Up runs a great Pyrenees - and it knocks her down and bites her on the leg. The dog ownder ran up and jumped on the dog to control it.

She was very upset. There was so much snow that I couldn't drive her to the doctor for a tetanus shot. We walked.

Any suggestions?
 
mini Halon fire extingusher. Weights about 16 oz. though,

works better than anything youve seen in any film on any aggresor.

Pitbulls or pschopaths on pcp makes no odds, its Total take out.

Always Amazed at how little there known.

Learnt it from Danish special forces guys about 27 years go. {They generaly used them for taking out trained attack dogs , not to mention machete weilding Pirates raiding the oil tankers off Nigeria.}

Report the dog.{if possible.} have that one put down for starters. Risk 1 eliminated.

Hope your wifes Ok.

Spiral
 
Bear repellent pepper spray. Knocks the biggest dog out in a second. 100%for sure, and it's cheap. It delivers more repellent over a greater distance than small pocket size cans. It also has the advantage that it is made as a defensive item to stop animals, so nobody can say you were toting something nasty, like a gun or a machete, and were planning on killing the neighbor's pitbull, who "just wanted to play".

(No kidding, but actually, this happend to a friend of mine. An unleashed pitbull jumped over his garden fence, bit his jack russel almost to death, and was heading for him after. He went inside, grabbed his .22 rifle, and dropped the damn thing whith a head shot. A week later he was looking down the barrel of an expensive lawsuit and was reported for animal cruelty).

http://www.safetygearhq.com/bearspray.htm
 
Sounds good walt, have you expeirience of it? Advert sounds good though.

Not as effective as halon but hell as long as it works thats what matters !

Smaller pocket size cans much easier to carry as well.

I Wish they made 6oz halon!

Spiral
 
I have some DefTec pepper spray, which is good stuff, but the bear spray is likely to be easier to use.
I was concerned about windy conditions - I live in Illinois - and we do get lots of wind.

I was thinking of getting a Cold Steel walking stick for those windy days.

I don't think that the local police would be too happy about walking the dog with a khukuri - and I know that my wife would not do that. She needs to carry something.

Thanks for the suggestions - I may order the bear spray.
 
spiraltwista said:
Sounds good walt, have you expeirience of it?

Spiral
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Sure do, not with bears though. Used to carry one in the tank bag of my motorbike. That was back in the days when SW Florida was all hillbilly country, and some rednecks thought it was f^*9ing funny when their aggressive mutts were chasing bikers.
 
I've seen the halon fire extinguisher used on a cougar and it works very well. The cane(he knew how to use it too) and a stun gun didn't even give it pause in it's aggression. Enter fire extinguisher and the cat was done.
 
bullet to the head of the dog works :P

call the police. report the dog - GET a police report. the lady owes you for full medical and pain and suffering, loss of work, whatever costs you didn't have. plus the rabies report/vaccines must be in full/etc. lawyer.

future? dress for encounters. heavy/study boots, kevlar gloves. fixed blade pocket knife/spike. cell phone.

that halon sounds wonderful and is legal probably anywhere. pepper spray isn't.

in some circles, carrying a "bit stick" to pry off an attacking dog can be grounds for pre-emptively KNOWING you might be in danger, and should have known better to avoid it - blame the victim.

bladite
 
I just got my sister (she's a college student) a "Jogger Fogger" - 10% OC - comes with a nice little carrier designed to be carried in hand while walking. Check it out...
 
this reminds me of the sage advise on a website advertising bear pepper spray:

We advise that campers and hunters wear noisy little bells on their clothing so as not to startle bears. We also advise carrying pepper spray. You should also be able to recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear scat. Black bear droppings are smaller and contain lots of berries and squirrel fur. Grizzly bear dung has little bells in it and smells like pepper spray
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most locales have leash laws and require dogs in public to always be on a leash and under control. report them to the local animal control or police as appropriate to get everything on record in case of future happenings. some locales however do not seem to care & might not take anything seriously unless a human is hurt, by which time it is too late. if a strange uncontrolled dog comes over your fence and attacks you or your furry kids on your property, you have a right to defend - of course in the USA now a days, people will sue for the most ridiculous reasons because it is in the interest of lawyers to let them do so (lawyers are the only winners), but i'd rather be sued than watch and lose one of my family. he should counter sue for his expenses and claim that he was fearful that a human was about to be next on the dogs menu. most places have a law preventing discharge of a fire arm within city limits, but exempt self defense. i personally woulda bashed the beast with a baseball bat. the dogs owner that allowed it to be so aggressive should also be bashed with a baseball bat, but most locations frown on that.

the problem with carrying a spray or any other weapon is the speed of any attack, which can happen so fast that you do not have time to remember which pocket the spray is in, or for a gal to react and get it out of their handbag under all the other junk. a nice walking stick with an alpine ferrule is always to hand and generally innocuous looking and can be used spear-like or club fashion or as a pry to break a jaw locked on something the bad dog shouldn't have in it's mouth. a liberal cop may still want to charge you as they may decide a perfectly legal cane is an offensive weapon if you use it defensively. ain't laws wonderful, no common sense needed.
 
The reason Walt-FL's friend got sued was that he went inside and was then out of danger. Shooting the dog was no longer self-defense, it was revenge. He was supposed to call the police.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
The reason Walt-FL's friend got sued was that he went inside and was then out of danger. Shooting the dog was no longer self-defense, it was revenge. He was supposed to call the police.
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if he'd said he'd come inside along with his jrt and was no longer in danger, that may be an acceptable interpretation, if he was still in fear for himself and his jrt was still under threat, he was only being reasonable.

without more details, and not having been in his shoes, i would err on his side rather than that of the idiot who could not control his aggressive and obviously dangerous dog. it was HIS property, he should be able to defend it.
the police cannot be everywhere and cannot respond to incidents like that quickly enough to do more than document the incident and possibly shoot the dog themselves to get it off the by then dead body of it's victim.

in the UK where any defensive weapon or use of an object in self defense is considered 'offensive' and illegal, more thugs are starting to use dogs in their crimes to threaten victims, the 'give me your wallet or i'll shoot' is now 'give me your wallet or i'll sic the dog on you'.
 
We made a report. I ordered a Cold Steel ash walking stick AND bear spray. I also talked to a policeman over the phone who was far too friendly when speaking of the dog's ownder. The dog was on a leash, but pulled free of the ownder when attacking. The guy was too old for the giant dog, and it was not adequately trained.
It seems that you can do anything that you need to when defending yourself here from dogs.
But - It is not legal to carry concealed around here.
We may want to see a lawyer about this event...not sure about this.
 
arty said:
We made a report. I ordered a Cold Steel ash walking stick AND bear spray. I also talked to a policeman over the phone who was far too friendly when speaking of the dog's ownder. The dog was on a leash, but pulled free of the ownder when attacking. The guy was too old for the giant dog, and it was not adequately trained.
It seems that you can do anything that you need to when defending yourself here from dogs.
But - It is not legal to carry concealed around here.
We may want to see a lawyer about this event...not sure about this.
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Here in Georgia, the police arrest dogs. REALLY! They call animal control and they lock the bad dog up. The owner gets to pay a $300 fine for a first and minor offense.

Second offence and the owner can get a much larger fine and the dog gets a chance to reincarnate as something better and less violent.

If the owner actually "sics" the dog on someone, he can go to jail. This offence is handled differently because the dog was acting as the agent for the owner.

Arty, you are in a difficult place. Your wife has a justafiable fear. Yet if you carry a gun, you can go to jail. I would have a talk with the owner, certainly about your medical expenses. There is no question but that he is liable.

If he refuses, there is no question about filing a lawsuit. Do it. I think that you deserve compensation for not only the expenses, but also pain and suffering as well as punitive damages against the owner.

I'd take a strong stand here. Your wife has been injured by a huge dog. Now she probably has a fear of even walking your dog. If this dog has attacked other people (there should be a police record) you will likely have a slam-dunk win.

I hate to reccomend the genre, but you could get a personal injury lawyer. The first visit is free.
 
Walt-FL said:
Sure do, not with bears though. Used to carry one in the tank bag of my motorbike. That was back in the days when SW Florida was all hillbilly country, and some rednecks thought it was f^*9ing funny when their aggressive mutts were chasing bikers.
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This reminds me of a multiple choice quiz in "Iron Horse Magazine." One of the questions was:

"When you ride your bike home at night, your neighbor's dog attacks you. Your neighbor thinks this is funny. What do you do?"

(multiple choices)
1. Shut off your bike a block away and quietly push your bike into your driveway, hoping he won't notice you.

2. (I forget, but a little stronger)

3. (Stronger yet)

4. (The one I checked) "When the dog comes up to your bike, smash the furry f&%$ker in the head with a baseball bat, cut off one of his paws and wear it around your neck as a good-luck charm."

I love dogs I hate to see one hurt, but when it comes to myself, another person, or one of my furry kids being mauled. . . . . . I will do my best to stop the agressor and think about the consequences later.

Sometimes the dog is not the real culprit. The owner's aggressiveness or carelessness is the big contributing factor, but the dog must be stopped and the severity of stopping the dog should be related to the agressiveness of its attack.

Same with people.
 
Great Pyrenees are herd dogs, and not really a good choice as a pet, especially for someone not vigorous and strong.

I have seen wee bits of pepper spray totally reform dogs.
 
I have had pyrs. They kick ass. The drug dealer down the road(since in prison) had an evil rott that actually killed several of the hollow peoples pets and bit Ms HD when she was walking one of our dogs at night. He also kept coming into my yard, and killing my chickens.

One night my pyrs broke out of their pasture and went down and castrated him. I also shot him with a shotgun and if he saw me step out he would take off.(bird shot) However he kept coming up to my house when I was at work. Luckily later on somebody else apparently poisioned him and he terrorized us no more:thumbup:

I don't know of any good way of repelling them once they attack. The best way is to have something where you can KILL them when they attack because you have justification. Here the county will not help you till you have 2 documented bite reports. My wife filed one, but nobody else he bit did and he got poisioned before he bit anyone else.
 
Bear spray would be a good first line of defence, if that doesn't work, shoot it, if that's not possible just club it and cut its throat.
 
In my experiance bear spray works on just about anything short of a bear, I've been sprayed with the (I think weaker) human equivilant and that was no fun at all, I can only imagine what it would do to somthing with a dogs sense of smell.
 
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