Dash, Dash, and Double-Dash

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I've seen a lot of discussion on the dashes, but I don't think this question ever came up--Which is harder to find--the single dash or the double dash?

The change is described as "mid-year," but does anybody know which 1992 version is more common and which is the more scarce?
 
Just from my own observations of 110's at gun & knife shows, the "double dash" version is the rarer of the two.
 
there are i belive also
dubble dash 560's
as well as
426's
but memory may be fleeting
and verry miss leading
 
I remember a post here from a guy soliciting to buy a single dash because he was having trouble finding one. He said he had a double and had seen a few around, but he couldn't find a single dash 110.

So I started wondering.....
 
BG42EDGE said:
I remember a post here from a guy soliciting to buy a single dash because he was having trouble finding one. He said he had a double and had seen a few around, but he couldn't find a single dash 110.

So I started wondering.....
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long long time (4 years+) ago i asked if any one had a single dash
as all mine of that year had double dash..
now have one of each
not long ago some one also asked if there were any new 111 in brass
as all they had seen were nickel..
depends were the shipments went i guess
 
Thanks, Dave....it wasn't you that I was thinking of--I would have remembered if it was you. I don't think that guy was a forum regular. I'll have to do a search and see if I can find the post I almost remember.
 
This is it. The guy's handle was "Roadhand." Post is from 1-22-2000......ten years ago.

I've spent the day reading the posts from the past year here and am sorry that I haven't made it sooner. Windancer has told me that this was the place for info for better than a year now. But on to the question at hand.

I have managed to accumulate a collection of 110's from '68 to the present with the exception of the '92 marking of a single dash. According to Joe Houser, there was some change made in mid-year and is indicated with the use of a double dash. All the ones I can find have the double. Soooo...does anyone have a single dash marked 110 in near mint to mint condition for sale or trade? Please either post or e-mail me. Thanks.
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I have a gut feeling that there may be more double dashes around than single.

I wonder if Joe Houser has numbers on how many of each were made that year?
 
he may be right
wander what ever happened to him?
wow U is good searcher...
done read all my post yet? ;)
 
I'm working on getting all your posts read.....

It's just that your writing style makes it slow going, but I am smart enough to know there are many nuggets of wisdom to be gleaned if I can just find them.

:)

I sent Joe a message, so if he's around we should get a response from him on this in time.
 
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Also, I took a look at all of Roadhand's posts and he never mentioned the "Dash" issue again after that. He was asking about having a display at the 2000 Blade Show and then he vanished.

Makes you wonder where people go when they vanish.

:)
 
I haven't paid all that much attention to steel changes, but was just reading that in 1992 steel was changed from 425 mod to 440hc.

Just wondering if that goes along with the dash things as well as someone posting that it was a pivot change.
 
Joe has addressed the issue before and he didn't mention that possibility.

He was focused on a tiny change to the blade that was very hard to notice.
 
IIRC, the second dash was not for the change to the blade steel, but to a change in the knives themselves, that affected the 110 & 112's only, and I don't recall ever seeing a Buck other than those two models with the second dash.
 
i belive it had to do with a bearing or the spring
will have to think on the other models
i know the 560 had both
 
Just got an e-mail from Joe.....he says:

I dug through my files but the document I have is undated. I was hoping to at least find the month this change happened. I did see that the double dash represents a new blade design. But what is that design change??? I remember adding a few thou to the tip thickness in order to cut down on the number of broken tips on 110's...maybe that was it.
I hope to someday find the blade blueprint and check the revision key to see if it gives any clues.
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I'm going to search for an old thread where he discussed this change and I think he commented a little more on it.
 
Joe on the old thread:

In 1992 the date code on our blade stamps was a dash, just after the model number. BUCK, 110-, U.S.A.
As many of our loyal forum members know, later in 1992 a second dash was added to the 110. BUCK, -110-, U.S.A.
Our engineering group gave me the explanation as to why the second dash was added. Apparently, there was a design change in the blade radius area that warranted the stamp code change.
The goal of this design change was two fold. Make the action smoother, and eliminate an opertation in the shop. It was not a very noticeable change to the naked eye. I compared a 1994 110 blade to a 4 dot i just happened to have on my desk and any diferences were hard to see but they are there.
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Another quote from an old Joe post:

It does not show up in the date code list. Goose and Larry are correct, it was done in 1992 to indicate a mid year change in the 110. It was a new design of some sort and only effected the 110.
In 1992, we were also making the 110 stag, the 560 xlti titanium, and the 426Bucklite III's. I would imagine that it is a possibility to see those models with the same date stamp although I have not seen or heard of one yet.
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So......here we have a review of all we know about the dash issue.

If anybody has any info that would help figure out the actual numbers made of each version of the 1992 model, feel free to dish it out.
 
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I think we have the answer to your question completely surrounded now! :) Heres a little more info that helps but still does not answer the question of how many.
We made 112500 of the standard 110's in 1992. This does not count any other model or variation...110fg, stag, 560, ect.
I know that when they say "mid-year" they only mean not January or December but if we assume that mid year means June or July, we are looking at about 56250 with one dash and 56250 with 2 dashes.
I need to find that blueprint but its a 2 to 3 hour task. :(
 
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